Anyone know Greystone Firearms? He has a suppressor I paid for..

[TheRifleman]

Honestly it sucks to see this. I've used Neil several times for transfers and always found him to be responsive and easy to deal with. I did contact him a while back about an omega he had in an old ad on AZS and he told me he no longer had it, so I'll just consider myself lucky I'm not in the same position as some of you right now.

 

[fitzumwell]

So, I have been posting in ARF and was told about this thread and actual solutions happening so I want to add my comment for my experience with Neil. I purchased an Omega 300 from Neil on GunBroker in April. We were in communication at first and he was giving me progress reports until May 7th. He told me my forms were approved and my can was on its way to my FFL/SOT in Colorado Springs. I contacted my FFL and they had no record of any Form 3 being submitted or any transfer coming to them from Neil. I checked back every couple of days and continued to try to reach out to Neil. My FFL has no record still and Neil has not returned a single call, text or email that I have sent him since May 7th. That is zero communication from him for over 2 and a half months. During that time I have contacted the ATF to see if they had any record and they said they did not and that an investigator has actually been assigned because of numerous complaints lodged against Greystone. I spoke with the investigator personally and she confirmed that this has happened to several other people.

If he is in fact giving refunds, I would like to request mine! If you have no intention of sending me a can then at least give me my money back or give some sort of response to me. I feel like you owe me that since you do have quite a bit of my money.

 

[lew]

Wow, that's extra greasy. Good luck getting this resolved in your favor.

 

[Isnake]

Ok time to chime in here. I used Neil for a few transfers early this year and everything went well enough. I was looking for an Aero AR in 308 but every time I checked Aero's site it was out of stock. I noticed that Neil was on the FFL list for Aero so I gave him a call to see if it could be ordered through him and sure enough it could, and so the clusterfuck began. Neil offered to get me the AR at his price which I thought was really cool. I also wanted an ACOG and he offered to get it from Lipsey's, full service right? I thought so. According to Neil's Aero rep it would take no longer than a month, not a problem, I have wanted this set up forever and another month would be ok. I paid Neil on 4/20 of this year a grand total of $2,390 via bank card and the wait began. Days went by, a month went by, nothing yet. Neil was in constant communication and then I got the call, your ACOG is in! I went to Neil's that day after work and as Neil opened the boxes and no ACOG. Ok, shit happens I guess right? another month rolls by and I'm getting nervous then I get the call that my stuff is all n, nice!. Days go by and somehow we just can't hook up. Numerous times are set up to pick up the rifle and somehow something always pops up . Kids bday, should be good to go after. It never happens. He gets rear ended in some drivethrough in Phoenix, he will call me when he is done at the accident scene. Call never comes. Finally I demand a refund for gear I'm quite sure was never at his house to begin with and was probably never ordered. He refunds me through square and it can take up to 14 days through square. I just had a bad feeling so I called Square (A real pain in the ass if you dont have a square account) and Square tells me the payment was declined. Neil of course is perplexed and asks how he can make it right. I tell him I can stop by and cash will work just fine. No response for days then I asked if paypal would work and he sends a Paypal E-check for $2,380....I'm assuming the payment is $10 light for the xfer of the imaginary gun he never ordered but I can live with that. The echeck hits paypal June 21 and clears June 27 and I immediately xfer the money to my checking account glad that I made it out of this one without shit all over me. Not so fast, 2 days ago (July 25) I get a case update from Paypal and the echeck has been reversed a month later, my Paypal balance is now negative -$2380. I immediately text Neil with WTF is this bullshit? He calls, "Oh bro there was fraud on my Chase account, some dude in Delaware hacked my account", Ok, lets think about this, someone hacked his account and reversed my payment? Yeahhhh. got it. He conference calls me with Paypal on the other line (I guess it was Paypal but who knows) and all the paypal guy can say was as soon as your bank approves the transaction was fraudlent they will release the money to us and Mike's account will be balanced out. Neil offers to do a 3 way call with Chase but I hung up quite done with this. Normally your bank card protection ends at 60 days but since this happened Desert Financial said a case has been re-opened and turned over to their fraud division. I also have dumped every text and receipt and turned it over to our lawyer who advised us to wait one week at which point Neil will be served and sued Civil court. My lawyer said in no uncertain terms this was the classic definition of a shell game (It took a while at his office for us to go over all of the correspondence and receipts and dates). For all you Neil fanboys out there I'm sure at one point and time he was a stand up guy. It would appear he has some kind of issues now and is playing the shell game with supressors and any other money he can get his hands on including mine. Neal undoubtedly has the gift of gab and will shine you on as long as he can. Stay away people, stay away. Neil, your a piece of work man.

 

[TheRifleman]

I think I'd tell PayPal to shove their negative balance where the sun doesn't shine. Suing Neil at this point will be like trying to get milk from a rock. I think your lawyer's time is better spent working on PayPal to convince them Neil is using their system to perpetuate his fraud and your negative balance is a result of fraud. Let PayPal take the loss and try to get money back from that clown.

 

[Isnake]

Problem with Paypal is you have to hook your bank account up to the paypal account. If he dosent make good on this it comes directly out of my checking account. The bank also now has copies of everything and has submitted it to their fraud division. Not how I wanted to spend my saturday morning but here we are.

 

[superdrag67]

I don't know if it's possible at this point since you've got the negative balance but you can delete the bank account and credit cards from the Paypal account. You just wouldn't be able to do anything with it. It might keep them from pulling it from you though.

 

[shooter444]

After following this entire thread, the term ponzi scheme keeps creeping into my consciousness.

 

[TheRifleman]

Problem with Paypal is you have to hook your bank account up to the paypal account. If he dosent make good on this it comes directly out of my checking account. The bank also now has copies of everything and has submitted it to their fraud division. Not how I wanted to spend my saturday morning but here we are.

Tell your bank there are two options:
1. Recognize you're a victim of fraud, change your account number, and do not allow any outbound transfers without your express permission. (Even with this, I would transfer all but the minimum funds you need out of that account and cancel any of overdraft protection options you've opted into.)
2. You close your account and do business elsewhere.

You have the money so you have the leverage here. As soon as you lose that money, you lose all leverage and are at the mercy of PayPal or douchebag numero uno. PayPal is no friend of gun owners so I wouldn't feel bad if they eat a couple grand.

 

[GunSmoke]

I'm still trying to get a refund as well, Neil's bank has declined the refund he's sent twice now...

 

[harleypower69]

Neil needs to be arrested.

 

[shooter444]

Neil needs to be arrested.

Or, worse!

 

[TheRifleman]

The reality is that everyone he ripped off knows where he lives. If someone was into me for a couple grand, I think I'd make a little more effort to "communicate" than phone calls, texts, e-mail, but to each their own. He has plenty of stuff in his garage to make up for any debts - he just needs to be properly persuaded to do so.

 

[Blue109]

What could possibly go wrong in that scenario?

 

[TheRifleman]

You're right, the better option is to just sit back and let people walk all over you and take advantage of you because you're too scared of what might happen if you stand up for yourself.

 

[harleypower69]

^ Perhaps a group buy on a lawyer would make the most sense for all my fellow shooters who got ripped off and then lied to?

 

[AZDESERTRAT]

i hesitated joining this thread as I was hoping neil would come through and I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt but I’m seeing way to many similarities on here to my situation.
2 form 4s started in feb 2017 for an omega and sparrow. Got a refund check in December. neil said atf (heather) fixed the issue and reapplied the fee and everything was good. Decent communication with Neil from 2017 until early 2018 but no form 4s he stated. Then it got spotty. I got ahold of him in June 2018 and both my form 4s were (supposedly) finally back and approved. I worked to meet him to pick up my cans for 2 months but something always came up on his side and we couldn’t meet. No response at all the last 2 weeks. Called atf last week and they said the sparrow was approved in oct 2017 and that they had no record of my omega. (I didn’t have the serial number for the omega so they were just searching by name and ffl). I’ve reached out to the atf agent listed in the arf forum for help. No response as of yet. This was my first nfa purchase and it’s turned into a nightmare to resolve.

 

[shooter444]

^ Perhaps a group buy on a lawyer would make the most sense for all my fellow shooters who got ripped off and then lied to?

Good thought, but, even with a judgement in their favor, they can't get blood from a broke stone!

I think this needs to be a federal case of basic fraud/theft, before any satisfying results will be realized, imo.

 

[superdrag67]

^ Perhaps a group buy on a lawyer would make the most sense for all my fellow shooters who got ripped off and then lied to?

Isnake already has a lawyer, maybe see if you can combine forces somehow?

i hesitated joining this thread as I was hoping neil would come through and I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt but I’m seeing way to many similarities on here to my situation.
2 form 4s started in feb 2017 for an omega and sparrow. Got a refund check in December. neil said atf (heather) fixed the issue and reapplied the fee and everything was good. Decent communication with Neil from 2017 until early 2018 but no form 4s he stated. Then it got spotty. I got ahold of him in June 2018 and both my form 4s were (supposedly) finally back and approved. I worked to meet him to pick up my cans for 2 months but something always came up on his side and we couldn’t meet. No response at all the last 2 weeks. Called atf last week and they said the sparrow was approved in oct 2017 and that they had no record of my omega. (I didn’t have the serial number for the omega so they were just searching by name and ffl). I’ve reached out to the atf agent listed in the arf forum for help. No response as of yet. This was my first nfa purchase and it’s turned into a nightmare to resolve.

I think it's pretty clear at this point that any benefit of the doubt that anyone could give Neil is gone. I even know of a couple people that, for whatever reason, haven't bothered to post in this thread that are/were in the same situation.

That are far too many "coincidences" if you want to call them that. Neil is 100% a liar, I think that's not even questionable. I feel pretty safe adding thief into that also unless he decides to magically turn this around and stop screwing people.

It's odd that you too had an Omega with no serial number. I find it hard to believe that a kitchen table FFL would have a half dozen or more omegas laying around to sell. I wonder if he just decided he could resell the same items over and over and with the wait times what they were it would be a long time before anyone found out. Stupid game plan but I don't know what else to make of all this. Since Neil doesn't seem to want to return to this thread and give us his excuses all I can do is speculate.

It's really unfortunate that this is your first NFA experience for a couple of you.

 

[superdrag67]

i hesitated joining this thread as I was hoping neil would come through and I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt but I’m seeing way to many similarities on here to my situation.
2 form 4s started in feb 2017 for an omega and sparrow. [highlight=yellow]Got a refund check in December.[/highlight] neil said atf (heather) fixed the issue and reapplied the fee and everything was good. Decent communication with Neil from 2017 until early 2018 but no form 4s he stated. Then it got spotty. I got ahold of him in June 2018 and both my form 4s were (supposedly) finally back and approved. I worked to meet him to pick up my cans for 2 months but something always came up on his side and we couldn’t meet. No response at all the last 2 weeks. [highlight=yellow]Called atf last week and they said the sparrow was approved in oct 2017[/highlight] and that they had no record of my omega. (I didn’t have the serial number for the omega so they were just searching by name and ffl). I’ve reached out to the atf agent listed in the arf forum for help. No response as of yet. This was my first nfa purchase and it’s turned into a nightmare to resolve.

Are those dates above right? How much was your refund for? Just $200? I don't see how you could have gotten a refund if the form was already approved unless Neil himself canceled it.