Do not lose heart! The battle is not over!
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Pale Rider
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smithers599 said:
This might help:
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/making-sense-news-about-sidney-powell
Cubiclerevolt
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baja said:
Better than nothing.
I just want to know this was what people wanted. I highly doubt that it is but what can you do.
Honestly, we shouldn't be able to elect our president nor our senators. I believe this was when we started to go off the rails. Same can be said letting people who are on government assistance to vote and those who have zero skin in the game.
Trump, Kelli Ward, Rudy Giuliani are crying about Dominion but what about the Republican congressman that gained seats in congress? They don't have a problem with the vote counting. They're all a bunch of hypocrites
Maybe you shouldn't be able to vote for president or senators cause you're a dumbass.Cubiclerevolt said:
Cubiclerevolt
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Java Junkie said:
Ummm, I hope you wasn't talking to me because unlike these brokedick old farts in here, ill run your f***ing fade.
Cubiclerevolt
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Java Junkie said:
How?
Let me ask you this, do we live in a Republic or a DeMoCrAcY? And if you say we are a republic then are you saying that you prefer the dramatic and accelerated purpling to the now blue-ing effect of this state as opposed to what was intended by our founders?
Up until 1912 we only elected Representatives to Congress. This created a natural bulwark in the process as it allowed the States to send Senators that protected the specific interests of the state and stopped bullshit popularity contests from happening like oh I don't know phucking COMMUNITY ORGANIZERS in running for Senate Seats as a community organizer isn't shit in the scheme of helping a specific state protect its interests and bottom line. I can guarangodamntee you we would not have two libtard Senators representing our state right now if the 17th amendment didn't exist. Our legislature would select two Senators who would reflect the will and ideals of what input our state has at the federal level.
The same goes for the president. We really don't elect the position anyway. We play this little mother may I game where we state who we want but it's up to the elector to vote how they wish and that brings me to my last point.
The president should have so much little power than they have today where it doesn't matter who we have holding the office as that was how this country was set upon.
But yes, do continue on calling me a dumbass because I actually was probably the last generation to actually take a civics class and did live in America that was much freer than you had now and those days were pretty awesome.
I agree with CR on the Senate point. It would basically put the Senate seats back on an electoral college system and wouldn't let the typically more liberal metro areas dominate. I think the presidential vote system is working as well as anything else.
I think the bigger issue was the other point though - people given a vote without any skin in the game. Too many people are perfectly happy exchanging their freedom for their pittance from the government. You can't think they won't vote to for some lib primising them a pay raise in exchange for less freedom. I understand people need help at times, but if you've made decisions to put yourself in a hole, not sure you're equipped to vote on measures that impact everyone else.
I think the bigger issue was the other point though - people given a vote without any skin in the game. Too many people are perfectly happy exchanging their freedom for their pittance from the government. You can't think they won't vote to for some lib primising them a pay raise in exchange for less freedom. I understand people need help at times, but if you've made decisions to put yourself in a hole, not sure you're equipped to vote on measures that impact everyone else.
Cubiclerevolt
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Java Junkie said:
There's two assumptions here and one of them is correct.
You're either a boomer retiree that moved here from Cali since I don't know you from the previous board and you're a fudd AND one of those "freedom for me but not for thee types."
OR...a late-stage zoomer/Millenial that is the finished product of our most excellent public indoctrination school system.
I'm about to BTFO you on this as progress does NOT equal good.
Do you like income taxes? Estate taxes? Prohibition was f***IN' rad right? The ATF and NFA along with the GCA...all of these things would have never happened without women voting as through the years their base has pretty much turned into a single voting issue of passing anything based on feels and "muh ovaries".
Like I said and will say it until Jesus comes back "Too many people voting that have zero skin in the game that is affecting the people that do."
Cubiclerevolt
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TheAccountant said:
THANK YOU!!!!!! :clap:
That's the other part of the voter issue. I'll gladly give up my right to vote if it means most of these people especially the ones living on government assistance can't in a heartbeat.
The electoral college should be abolished. WTF is the deal with faithless electors. The possibility of our elections being overruled by some rogue politicians is BS. Personally I'd rather see a popular vote and so would 2/3 of America. You guys who are in love with the electoral college are the fringe.
Donald Trump could have gotten reelected if he hadn't been such a clown. He thumbed his nose at covid and tweeted himself right out of office. A lot of people loved the tarrifs he imposed on the rest of the world but all it did was raise prices for the consumer. Basically it was just another tax. Gee thanks Donny ya jerk
Donald Trump could have gotten reelected if he hadn't been such a clown. He thumbed his nose at covid and tweeted himself right out of office. A lot of people loved the tarrifs he imposed on the rest of the world but all it did was raise prices for the consumer. Basically it was just another tax. Gee thanks Donny ya jerk
The election was a near split between the Republicans and the Democrats. The electoral college system has alienated millions of rural voters in California and New York. The election boils down to a few battleground states every time. I never have liked it. In a popular vote everybody's vote would count, including the liberals in Utah. The faithless electors are what bothers me the most. That should have been
gotten rid of a long time ago
gotten rid of a long time ago
The electoral college votes for each state are, with a couple of exceptions, won by a popular vote within the state. What you say the problem is in CA and NY would be expanded to the entire country if things went to a nationwide popular vote. The new battlegrounds would be the 10 largest cities, leaving voters in rural states largely ignored, just as those in rural areas of CA and NY are now. The idea is to ensure each state has a voice in the election, which would be eliminated with a popular vote.
As for your hang-up on the faithless electors, most states have laws against it. You would have to go back nearly 200 years to find all instance where it was actually an issue. The better path might be to encourage those states that don't have laws, or have laws without any enforcement provision, to change rather than scrapping the entire system over it.
As for your hang-up on the faithless electors, most states have laws against it. You would have to go back nearly 200 years to find all instance where it was actually an issue. The better path might be to encourage those states that don't have laws, or have laws without any enforcement provision, to change rather than scrapping the entire system over it.
