ATF Issues Cease and Desist Order

[Jack Dupp]

Kingjoey nailed it out of the ballpark again.

 

[Gunslinger55]

King Joey right on point. All my new California neighbors with there priouses and Biden yard signs. Yes we could start another thread about this major issue

All my SBRs were long before braces existed

 

[TheAccountant]

Some of you guys sound disgustingly like CA transplants. I miss the days when gun owners here embraced ways to legally defy govt infringement and now many of you seem to make excuses to justify your desire to comply with whatever BS comes down the pipe. Used to see a lot more "molon labe" and now seeing a lot of "more cuck". The ATF is once again making unconstitutional decisions to force taxation and registration RETROACTIVELY. They are using their unchecked power to attack gun owners and gun companies. Any of you that are arguing about the merits of a pistol brace to avoid seeing the elephant in the room should sell your guns off now instead of waiting for the eventual govt gun "buyback" which you will no doubt find an excuse to comply with as well. Seeing more and more CA and fudd mentality here every day

Explain to me how having an NFA item makes me any more of a "CA transplant" (lived in AZ my entire life) or a fudd than anyone complying with any other gun law?

Also, nobody said anything about the "merits" of a pistol brace. A couple of us said we tried them, didn't like them, and went the SBR route. Are you that fragile that you have to come on here and go supa dupa internet commando because a couple of people don't like something you like? What's ironic is you stole a page right out of the liberal playbook - anyone who doesn't agree with you on every little topic must be scum of the earth.

 

[Kingjoey]

Some of you guys sound disgustingly like CA transplants. I miss the days when gun owners here embraced ways to legally defy govt infringement and now many of you seem to make excuses to justify your desire to comply with whatever BS comes down the pipe. Used to see a lot more "molon labe" and now seeing a lot of "more cuck". The ATF is once again making unconstitutional decisions to force taxation and registration RETROACTIVELY. They are using their unchecked power to attack gun owners and gun companies. Any of you that are arguing about the merits of a pistol brace to avoid seeing the elephant in the room should sell your guns off now instead of waiting for the eventual govt gun "buyback" which you will no doubt find an excuse to comply with as well. Seeing more and more CA and fudd mentality here every day

I was never part of the old board. But after reading what you said, I am now thankful for not having to be a part of it but it does explain a lot of the animosity and outright group think narcissisms from the clique of the now former board.

But contrary to your feelings, there's only three in here that prefer paying for a fixed stock, and all three have previously stated that we have nothing against those that want to muh molon labe with braces because muh shall not be infringed. The way some of you go about it though, is outright borderline Asperger's in the way you each seek to control 3 measly people that have shown preferences for a stock and don't mind paying. If that is being a fUdD to you, because they wanted an actual stock that is more capable, you may seriously be having some cognizance dissonance issues.

And having been a participant of this threads and attacks in here and the last few times threads like this were done, at no time has anyone ever and myself included, has ever said that we agreed with the ATF. Which comes to my point being made that people here are more willing to manufacture an enemy within the membership where there was never one, and are out lynch as much as possible when they perceive a threat to their narrative.

Now speaking strictly person to person, I'm more pro 2A than you. Unlike you, I embrace all guns and gun types, especially NFA and the work arounds that are not NFA. But that doesn't mean that owning both worlds is feasible and is realistically its a want more than a need, and I'm a function over form kind of person. I can use an A2 grip and be happy. But why settle when I am finding a K2 to be more functional than the A2 grip? Same goes for braces over stocks.

And I like all guns but there's some more than others that I prefer and what I own is based from that subjectiveness. I could not care less about what others would think, I bought it for me, not them.

Honestly you should be more worried about this "Q" that makes this gun. That he's telling all of his customers that bought it, to separate the lower from the upper, and has flat out refused to send legal length barrels to make things right, nor will he offer to buy them back or replace them with something that is legal to the ATF. Nah. Screw that, let's rage at our own community that won't lock, step, and heal when being told to do so by the old board elders. Add more edgy F da ATF along with the lynching's too, just for the board street cred maintainability.

In trying to refute my point you just illustrate it further. My point is that there should be NO infringement and I don't give two shits about how "into" guns you think you are in compared to me. I've been in the industry for 13yrs, been in the community for over 25. When the ATF arbitrarily decided to ban 7N6 ammo I didn't see you or any of the others in the meetings I had with various Congresscritters on the matter, y'all were too busy panic-buying it to cover your own asses instead of fighting back. When Obamacare was getting crammed down our throats I didn't see you on the streets of DC with me or meeting with Congresscritters there. The point is that the only way to keep freedoms is to fight for them. I don't care about pistol braces or people's motivations for having them, the point is that the ATF is infringing on our rights and we should be unified in countering those attacks regardless of whether it affects us personally or not. I have NFA items, I am getting more of them. I hate paying the tax and I hate registration but it is a fight that will end bloody at a later date. Any legal option that avoids taxation and registration should be supported not derided for any reason. One cannot win a war by excusing themselves from every battle no matter how small and seemingly inconsequential. In regards to Q, I'm guessing you're not a business owner or you'd know what sort of costs are involved in replacing something like a barrel on every pistol they've ever produced over the years. A business can't magically absorb a $200-300 cost on a product they probably didn't even make that sort of profit margin on in the first place. If the govt arbitrarily decided to make you pay a "health tax" of $5 on a Big Mac then you could debate the merits of future purchases of said item. If the govt decided you had to pay the same $5 for every Big Mac you've ever eaten in the past then that is something you can't easily factor into your finances or reasonably be expected to suddenly pay. If the govt suddenly decided that gas engines were not legal, your logic would dictate that GM/Ford/etc should just send every one of their customers and electric engine retrofit at no cost. You're doing mental gymnastics to avoid the reality of the situation and assuage your feelings about making excuses. If someone wants an NFA item then more power to them, if people want a pistol brace then more power to them, but making any excuse for govt overreach is as un-American as it gets. This sort of gymnastics is done by NRA fudds everytime an "assault weapon" ban rumor floats around. Your NFA stamp is not a magic talisman against getting your stuff involuntarily collected by the .gov so how about washing out your headgear and waking up? Your naiveté is not doing you any favors

 

[Kingjoey]

Some of you guys sound disgustingly like CA transplants. I miss the days when gun owners here embraced ways to legally defy govt infringement and now many of you seem to make excuses to justify your desire to comply with whatever BS comes down the pipe. Used to see a lot more "molon labe" and now seeing a lot of "more cuck". The ATF is once again making unconstitutional decisions to force taxation and registration RETROACTIVELY. They are using their unchecked power to attack gun owners and gun companies. Any of you that are arguing about the merits of a pistol brace to avoid seeing the elephant in the room should sell your guns off now instead of waiting for the eventual govt gun "buyback" which you will no doubt find an excuse to comply with as well. Seeing more and more CA and fudd mentality here every day

Explain to me how having an NFA item makes me any more of a "CA transplant" (lived in AZ my entire life) or a fudd than anyone complying with any other gun law?

Also, nobody said anything about the "merits" of a pistol brace. A couple of us said we tried them, didn't like them, and went the SBR route. Are you that fragile that you have to come on here and go supa dupa internet commando because a couple of people don't like something you like? What's ironic is you stole a page right out of the liberal playbook - anyone who doesn't agree with you on every little topic must be scum of the earth.

Yet another excuse-maker trying to salvage their ego and defend their submissive tendencies. Between idiots expecting Q to magically spend a fortune complying with kneejerk retroactive ATF decisions to idiots who can't apparently comprehend basic English, its painfully obvious why we as a gun community can't have nice things. This is the same reason why we'll never see FOPA '86 repealed, the NFA community has its fudds too that value their resale values over freedom as a whole. The only thing more childish than your initial responses was the ones in reply to being called out on the matter. You obviously were too busy trying to take offense at what I said that you didn't bother reading it completely

 

[Kingjoey]

I'm about freedom, I was down at the shop yesterday getting paperwork sorted out for an SBS that I built from scratch and an SBR project that I'm going to Form 1, was also looking at a few suppressors to pick up as well. Then I stopped at another store and picked up yet more ammo like I do on a damn near daily basis, then got home and ordered a few more ammo cans online, did some refinishing work on some stocks, then poked around online shopping for some pistol kits and braces. Why? Because its about freedom. If any of you soy latte sipping excuse-makers want to act like I haven't paid my dues or don't care about freedom in its entirety, you have no clue what you're talking about. Although Q won't go bankrupt sending out free barrels, I'll gladly go bankrupt helping pay your moving fees to send you back to CA/NY/wherever so that we can keep our freedoms here

 

[cool arrow]

Now speaking strictly person to person, I'm more pro 2A than you.

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he has obviously never met you.....and undoubtedly never will.

 

[Kingjoey]

My granddad had a saying “ It’s easier to straddle a fence if’n you don’t have balls” and his meaning was ‘pick a side’.

Some of these folks can not only straddle a fence, they can clamp onto it with their third point of contact thanks to soy and selective surgeries

 

[TheAccountant]

Some of you guys sound disgustingly like CA transplants. I miss the days when gun owners here embraced ways to legally defy govt infringement and now many of you seem to make excuses to justify your desire to comply with whatever BS comes down the pipe. Used to see a lot more "molon labe" and now seeing a lot of "more cuck". The ATF is once again making unconstitutional decisions to force taxation and registration RETROACTIVELY. They are using their unchecked power to attack gun owners and gun companies. Any of you that are arguing about the merits of a pistol brace to avoid seeing the elephant in the room should sell your guns off now instead of waiting for the eventual govt gun "buyback" which you will no doubt find an excuse to comply with as well. Seeing more and more CA and fudd mentality here every day

Explain to me how having an NFA item makes me any more of a "CA transplant" (lived in AZ my entire life) or a fudd than anyone complying with any other gun law?

Also, nobody said anything about the "merits" of a pistol brace. A couple of us said we tried them, didn't like them, and went the SBR route. Are you that fragile that you have to come on here and go supa dupa internet commando because a couple of people don't like something you like? What's ironic is you stole a page right out of the liberal playbook - anyone who doesn't agree with you on every little topic must be scum of the earth.

Yet another excuse-maker trying to salvage their ego and defend their submissive tendencies. Between idiots expecting Q to magically spend a fortune complying with kneejerk retroactive ATF decisions to idiots who can't apparently comprehend basic English, its painfully obvious why we as a gun community can't have nice things. This is the same reason why we'll never see FOPA '86 repealed, the NFA community has its fudds too that value their resale values over freedom as a whole. The only thing more childish than your initial responses was the ones in reply to being called out on the matter. You obviously were too busy trying to take offense at what I said that you didn't bother reading it completely

Got it. You really are that fragile. Let me guess - "operator" beard and a closet full of tactical camo cargo shorts?

 

[cool arrow]

.....and again I say, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...............

they REALLY don't know you...


oh, and IBTL :roll:

 

[Kingjoey]

Explain to me how having an NFA item makes me any more of a "CA transplant" (lived in AZ my entire life) or a fudd than anyone complying with any other gun law?

Also, nobody said anything about the "merits" of a pistol brace. A couple of us said we tried them, didn't like them, and went the SBR route. Are you that fragile that you have to come on here and go supa dupa internet commando because a couple of people don't like something you like? What's ironic is you stole a page right out of the liberal playbook - anyone who doesn't agree with you on every little topic must be scum of the earth.

Yet another excuse-maker trying to salvage their ego and defend their submissive tendencies. Between idiots expecting Q to magically spend a fortune complying with kneejerk retroactive ATF decisions to idiots who can't apparently comprehend basic English, its painfully obvious why we as a gun community can't have nice things. This is the same reason why we'll never see FOPA '86 repealed, the NFA community has its fudds too that value their resale values over freedom as a whole. The only thing more childish than your initial responses was the ones in reply to being called out on the matter. You obviously were too busy trying to take offense at what I said that you didn't bother reading it completely

Got it. You really are that fragile. Let me guess - "operator" beard and a closet full of tactical camo cargo shorts?

Solomon once said "a word of rebuke impresses a wise man more than a hundred lashes a fool"....98 more to go apparently

 

[Kingjoey]

.....and again I say, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...............

they REALLY don't know you...

The only thing funnier than online mental gymnastics is those done in person when they realize they totally misjudged someone. Personally I enjoy watching both with equal pleasure. Its like watching a dog the first day they're on a chain when a cat runs by. Ya know why they're gonna do what ya know they're gonna do but ya also know its the only way for a dog to comprehend what 20 feet is since they don't understand English

 

[cool arrow]

Rgr.

side note, want to come up to Pinetop this weekend with Monk?

 

[Kingjoey]

Rgr.

side note, want to come up to Pinetop this weekend with Monk?

Gotta work this weekend unfortunately, we'll be up north tonight and tomorrow with D going deer hunting though

 

[cool arrow]

shoot me a text, maybe we can all get together for a steak and a beer at Charlie Clark's or cook out at my place

 

[xerts1191]

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/sb-tacticals-alex-bosco-on-the-atfs-honey-badger-pistol-cease-and-desist-letter/
Great vid on TTAG

 

[Kingjoey]

I'm about freedom, I was down at the shop yesterday getting paperwork sorted out for an SBS that I built from scratch and an SBR project that I'm going to Form 1, was also looking at a few suppressors to pick up as well. Then I stopped at another store and picked up yet more ammo like I do on a damn near daily basis, then got home and ordered a few more ammo cans online, did some refinishing work on some stocks, then poked around online shopping for some pistol kits and braces. Why? Because its about freedom. If any of you soy latte sipping excuse-makers want to act like I haven't paid my dues or don't care about freedom in its entirety, you have no clue what you're talking about. Although Q won't go bankrupt sending out free barrels, I'll gladly go bankrupt helping pay your moving fees to send you back to CA/NY/wherever so that we can keep our freedoms here

Words have actual meanings, but your gibberish and high uses of ad hominem does not.

Let's just save us both the trouble and add each other to foes, so we won't have to deal with each other ever again, because it's obvious that you will continue to be a child and project everything about yourself into those that you're deliberately choosing to be at odds with.

Wow, didn't even get to present the terms of surrender yet. When you and TheAccountant set up your wedding registry be sure ro send me a link so I can send y'all a toaster or something

 

[Kingjoey]

Yet another excuse-maker trying to salvage their ego and defend their submissive tendencies. Between idiots expecting Q to magically spend a fortune complying with kneejerk retroactive ATF decisions to idiots who can't apparently comprehend basic English, its painfully obvious why we as a gun community can't have nice things. This is the same reason why we'll never see FOPA '86 repealed, the NFA community has its fudds too that value their resale values over freedom as a whole. The only thing more childish than your initial responses was the ones in reply to being called out on the matter. You obviously were too busy trying to take offense at what I said that you didn't bother reading it completely

Got it. You really are that fragile. Let me guess - "operator" beard and a closet full of tactical camo cargo shorts?

That's a good assumption, but I'm going with a fat never has been, myself. His dire need to pedestal himself as our better without any concrete proof of his claims, is a sure sign of my own assessment of him. A part of me even thinks that he's another troll account for Ranger1, because he too thought highly of himself and that user name sure does fit his narcissism to a T.

Wow, took three swings and missed with each. We can probably deduce you're not some famous baseball star hiding amongst us unwashed quislings. Since names are so relevant to you, is "1182" a reference to your weight or the days since you were last laid? Just wanna know so that when "AZ1190" replies I can keep track of the continuity

 

[Kingjoey]

shoot me a text, maybe we can all get together for a steak and a beer at Charlie Clark's or cook out at my place

Roger that, we'll should be in the neighborhood tomorrow. Folks just bought a big place out in Heber BTW

 

[Kingjoey]

Let me guess, he's quoting me after the fact tat he was told that he was added to foe and his trolling's will never be fed ever again?

Classic narcissism. It's what narcissists do. Oh well, being cancer free is nice.

Think ya forgot to click a button of some sort there sweetheart.