WATER CONSERVATION

[knockonit]

WEll, being a native, i've watched the water controversy go on and on. but to no avail.
NOw if one was to look at the water usage of say; 20 years ago, versus now, one would see a huge uptick in usage, and if one would look at the availability of water resources, one would see a huge DOWN tick.
MOst of az water comes from the Colorado, and ground pumping, colorado is over whelmed, and yet more folks want to plant friggin grass, more golf courses, more green belts,
if one was to review what the City of Phx. is doing is . for example the airport which had a huge green belt is now a desert landscape, well there you go, think on this, water savings, maintenance savings, ect. An incredible amount of water, now if irrigated thats one thing, but sprinkler systems have and are known to not be efficient nor full functional.

So here we are, i'd say in next 5-10 years with our growth, we will have a major water issue, as in some areas, water is outrageous to purchase, with our prolonged drought, and lack of conservation, it may happen sooner, no snow pack, no spring rains up north, monsoons in last few years have been disastorous, begin conservation now i say, get the water busters back out on the street, they got on the water conservation plan in the early 80s but dropped it, go figure, stupid is stupid does.

I know its a desert, and one can kinda treat it like that, where prudent, but water, it makes the world work, and makes Phoenix, work, well all of Arizona.

Rj

 

[brandyspaw]

Well, I'm not a native of Arizona as I just moved here when I retired 8 plus years ago. However, being a native of Colorado (or Little California as its become known ) I've been aware of the water situation.

One thing, however, I thought Arizona got it right concerning development by not allowing builders to put up more rooftops than the groundwater could support. Being in construction you'd know more about that than I. Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought there was legislation that developers had to prove some kind of 100 year water supply in the populated areas of Arizona before building.

I do agree, after coming from a state that finally came to terms with drought due to lessened snow packs, that some things done in Arizona are ridiculous, Like why in most developments you have to have water wasting fountains/water features, fake lakes and a ton of grass just to attract the snowbirds, mid-westerners, easterners, etc.

Its the freaking desert---so if you want green stay where the hell you're at. But every 55 plus place I looked at wastes water like there's no tomorrow.

 

[knockonit]

YEp, supposed to work that away, but they make so many trades, land for water usage, doing public access, such as parks, greenbelts, some of this crap is mandated by some of the cities, and slowly chang is coming.
Take alook at flagstaf, no water, its piped trucked in, purchased was east or way west, their growth outran the water, same for williams, and take al ook at ashfork, if they had more than one or two wells, it would be a paradise.
last well they drilled i think hit 1100ft but the strata shifted and they lost it all, seems thats the mo for wells in the area, that was number 3 in as many as half dozen years.
ITs a desert folks, when it dries up, most will get the meaning,
all the lake are water storage, and imo, are poorly managed by SRP, and of course we have the EPA that due to some friggen animal or plant has mandated Horseshoe no fill, when full HS is a monster, almost going all the way to sheeps crossing.

anyway, had a neighbor down the street put in a grass lawn outfront, I asked him why, he said where he comes from they have green lawns, which by the way was ohio, i quickly explained, we didn't give a shiat what a buckeye thought or wanted and maybe he oughta go back where he came from, oh yeah had a bernie sticker on his car, didn't notice till i walked off.
Here in lies the problem, they all move here for some reason or other, then want it to transform into the shiat hole they came from

just my opinion

Rj

 

[brandyspaw]

Here in lies the problem, they all move here for some reason or other, then want it to transform into the shiat hole they came from

That's absolutely it.

I wanted to move my wife to one of the 55 plus gummer places since she had so few friends when we lived in the country on our acreage. (I wanted her to be around more oldsters for more socialization.) The problem is, these 55 plus communities seem to attract people from the cesspool states. And, their libtard politics aside, when you talk to them, most bitch and moan about the brown appearance of the desert and ask why we can't plant more grass and trees so its green like back home.
Like as if water is always there and always in abundance in the desert.

 

[Tim McBride]

I haul water in to my place still. We are pretty 'water wise' in my household.

 

[338lapua]

Most golf courses are on reclaimed water. Many housing developments especially in the east valley use reclaimed water for the the landscapes. I remember being forced to over seed massive projects as the water had to be used. We were not even allowed to shut down water for a week to slow the grass down for over seeding we had to turn the grass growth off with chemicals, scalp and have water flowing again the next day.

What doesn't get used in landscaping and golf is pumped back into the ground. Also one of the reasons so many places have lakes, it was a real problem dealing with how much water we had to make disappear. I remember studying perc tests and putting in dry wells so we could dispose of excess water for one town. I was at the end of their reclaimed lines and remember days where I was called and told storage is full and we need to get rid of 2 million gallons today as inlet side of plant is full too so I had every pumping station running over time watering projects and pumping into other places to dispose of the water.

Phoenix and Scottsdale are having to play catch up to the east valley but eventually all master planned communities will have landscapes and golf courses on reclaimed water. Gilbert, Chandler, Mesa, Queen Creek had the advantage of putting the reclaimed water to use as these towns were built.

What we really need to stop the government from effing with weather patterns so we can have our summer rains and winter snows back again. This is where the real problem lies with the drought.

 

[delta6]

This all makes sense... but you need water to recover reclaimed water.

 

[xerts1191]

Colofornia had one of its driest winters yet for snowpack, majority of cities their have been on water restriction for years now, matter of time before we feel the effects here.

 

[lew]

It's mind boggling how few homes and business have any water capture/retention system, whether it be gutters and storage tanks or landscaping to retain significant amounts of water. A decent monsoon rain falling on the average roof can net about 600 gallons. Even if that water is only used for irrigation, that takes a huge load off the groundwater supply. My wife and I are gearing up to have gutters installed shortly, and we're going to plumb that into tanks. The back patio has space for at least a thousand gallons.

We get plenty of water here in AZ. The problem lies with managing that resource effectively.

 

[338lapua]

It's mind boggling how few homes and business have any water capture/retention system, whether it be gutters and storage tanks or landscaping to retain significant amounts of water. A decent monsoon rain falling on the average roof can net about 600 gallons. Even if that water is only used for irrigation, that takes a huge load off the groundwater supply. My wife and I are gearing up to have gutters installed shortly, and we're going to plumb that into tanks. The back patio has space for at least a thousand gallons.

We get plenty of water here in AZ. The problem lies with managing that resource effectively.

Do this and risk the state and feds coming after you. Anything that interferes with the natural run off of rain water or snow is illegal unless you bow down and get their permit and basically allow them to trespass on your land with forced permission at any time so they can find a violation and fine your ass.

I have a few thousand acres and run some cattle on it. I wanted a collection pond for the cattle so I could pump out less ground water but the costs were ridiculous. I ended up buying the land next to mine that had a natural pond grandfathered in the rights and use that now.

You better have underground tanks that you bought in secret and installed under cover so it wasn't seen from the air or they may get onto you quickly. The water from the sky is not your water and they will do what it takes to not let you have it.

 

[338lapua]

This all makes sense... but you need water to recover reclaimed water.

You do but this is saving millions of gallons of drinking water from being used on golf courses or landscapes. It is also giving more area for the excess water to evaporate and eventually form clouds and rain. Some day according to the plans I saw houses will have a hookup to reclaimed for landscape use. The downside is the water is smelly.

 

[What]

And to imagine all the irrigation leak on daily basis everywhere.

 

[Flash]

If people would stop squirting out so many kids, it would help a lot for water and other resource conservation.

 

[Tim McBride]

If people would stop squirting out so many kids, it would help a lot for water and other resource conservation.

I hear China's been doing great with that 1 child policy.

 

[lew]

It's mind boggling how few homes and business have any water capture/retention system, whether it be gutters and storage tanks or landscaping to retain significant amounts of water. A decent monsoon rain falling on the average roof can net about 600 gallons. Even if that water is only used for irrigation, that takes a huge load off the groundwater supply. My wife and I are gearing up to have gutters installed shortly, and we're going to plumb that into tanks. The back patio has space for at least a thousand gallons.

We get plenty of water here in AZ. The problem lies with managing that resource effectively.

Do this and risk the state and feds coming after you. Anything that interferes with the natural run off of rain water or snow is illegal unless you bow down and get their permit and basically allow them to trespass on your land with forced permission at any time so they can find a violation and fine your ass.

I have a few thousand acres and run some cattle on it. I wanted a collection pond for the cattle so I could pump out less ground water but the costs were ridiculous. I ended up buying the land next to mine that had a natural pond grandfathered in the rights and use that now.

You better have underground tanks that you bought in secret and installed under cover so it wasn't seen from the air or they may get onto you quickly. The water from the sky is not your water and they will do what it takes to not let you have it.

Unlike most of the rest of the West, residential water collection is perfectly legal in AZ. In fact, Phoenix specifically encourages it, and most municipalities around here and U of A have websites pertaining to it.

 

[Tim McBride]

Rainwater catchment:
http://www.azwater.gov/azdwr/StatewidePlanning/Conservation2/Residential/documents/Harvesting_Rainwater.pdf
Grey Water usage:
http://legacy.azdeq.gov/environ/water/permits/download/graybro.pdf

 

[Shootist]

http://www.azwater.gov/azdwr/watermanagement/History/History_of_Water_Management_in_Arizona7.htm

 

[harleypower69]

If we ceased building more homes we could save water and stop the influx of libtards moving here. Phoenix is now the 5th largest city in the US. Stop the sales of state lands to developers.

 

[Jack Dupp]

If we ceased building more homes we could save water and stop the influx of libtards moving here. Phoenix is now the 5th largest city in the US. Stop the sales of state lands to developers.

THIS

 

[Azbuilder]

Here in lies the problem, they all move here for some reason or other, then want it to transform into the shiat hole they came from

That's absolutely it.

I wanted to move my wife to one of the 55 plus gummer places since she had so few friends when we lived in the country on our acreage. (I wanted her to be around more oldsters for more socialization.) The problem is, these 55 plus communities seem to attract people from the cesspool states. And, their libtard politics aside, when you talk to them, most b**** and moan about the brown appearance of the desert and ask why we can't plant more grass and trees so its green like back home.
Like as if water is always there and always in abundance in the desert.

I live in the old Sun City which is almost all gravel yards and low water/maintenance landscaping. I agree about snowbirds voting liberal, but they don't vote here. They keep voting at home in snow country. Around here is one of the most conservative areas in the state. I agree the newer Sun Cities are not where I want to live. Heaven's waiting rooms ! My water bill right now is around $30 a month with 7 large trees- pepper,4 -40 plus year old citrus, fig, olive and desert bushes. I run Gray water and catchment. It should be mandatory on all new homes! All golf courses should be reclaimed water by a certain date. Sun City made a dumb mistake when they sold the wells and isolated aquifer here to a private water company-----Epcor. We are no longer independant for water as Del Webb had planned.