Video Games

[deadshot556]

Blaming video games is right up there with blaming guns.

I played shitloads of violent video games growing up with my friends.

Played "guns" with my friends too, running around the neighborhood park and our parents' yards trying to kill my friends with toy guns.

Watched tons of graphic and violent movies depicting gun violence with my dad and my friends.

I'm 34 now, never shot up a school. Never even thought about taking a gun to school.

Even when I was in college and started carrying a gun. I never did on campus, I wouldn't even leave one in my truck. Just left it locked up in my safe at home.

Weird huh?

Exactly.

 

[knockonit]

Id have to say a bulk of the issue is parenting, having all girls, we dealt with a gaggle of young men and women that had only one parent, or even that parent was a flake,
we practically raised a few of each age daughters friends, later on even helped them thru college a bit, it always amazed me of mothers or dads who didn't wanna spend time with their spawn, to be a good parent it means some sacrifice and compromise. I'm proud of my girls, all successful, well imo, a couple married shiatheads, who are the laziness of earth, hehe, have already fired one after a day,

hard to put a finger on it, but imo it begins at home, we always had consequences for bad behaviour, as we did with good behavior and good grades,
I went to a military school, let me tell you about bullying, started at the 4th grade and made it to what would have been senior year, had days i didn't wanna leave my room, upper class men and hazing, but once i learned to box, around 11, i took on the upper classmen, figured i lost more than i won, but they eventually stopped, cause the pain they endured in my meager attempt to be me, wasn't worth it, even had to stand for a few friends. Never understood the need to belittle someone, my wife is a pacifist, and i had the girls learn kick boxing and some major choke holds, and told them to take no shiat from anyone, and if rightous would back them, and back them i did, best part is at least two of them were in teh same school at the same, time and they had each others back, a bully needs a stomping, a bad one, jmo

i'd say parenting, is the basis of successful child to adult hood.
Rj

 

[DmN]

There are a lot of talking points behind this discussion and some great sentiments which have been posted.

Just my $0.02...

These shootings continue to get shoved down our throat by local, national and social media platforms every time one occurs. The causes which lead to these shootings are not because of violent video games, medication, kids being bullied or the lack of parental involvement. When a machine is not wired correctly, there are problems which are bound to happen. Evil is as evil does. Perhaps the video games, medication, bullying and poor parenting contributed to pushing that person over the edge but wasn't solely the cause of a major psychological breakdown... I think trying to focus on any one of these aspects through regulation or prohibition isn't going to help.

One thing we continue to do is talk about these shootings over and over again and I feel that is one thing that propagates these mass shootings to continue.

 

[WRMorrison]

Correlation does not equal causation. My son loves gaming (and I play with him on occasion); most of which are FPS-type games. He has absolutely no interest in real firearms. I've bought him a couple (a .22 cricket and a single-shot .410), and they can rot away in the safe for all he cares. He's 12 now. I wish that he were more interested, but I don't want to push it on him and make him grow to hate it. He'll come around or not. He's emotionally stable, was raised in a good environment and is a good student; but I'll keep an eye on him nonetheless just in case he's a ticking timebomb...

-WRM

 

[Tim McBride]

Being a moderator, I would think you would take a neutral position.

I have seen happen multiple times in other forums and especially gun forums, where someone in a position of power slowly lets their ideologies and opinions become the rules.

Hope that don't happen here.

LOL, because I'm a mod I can't have any opinion?

Nah, you do what you want. But this place is just like a radio, shit music comes on...I turn it off.

 

[Basher]

Were these cowards video gamers?

Garlic Festival shooter - Santino William Legan
El Paso Shooter - Patrick Crusius
Dayton Ohio shooter - Connor Betts



Christchurch NZ shooter was gamer


All of these dysfunctional POS were gamers

1. Adam Lanza, Sandy Hook Elementary, was a frequent player of violent first-person shooter video games. It was said his existence largely involved playing violent computer video games in a bedroom.

2. James Holmes, went on a rampage in a movie theater showing The Dark Knight Rises in Aurora, Colorado in July 2012, He was a frequent player of violent video games including World of Warcraft, an infamously addictive role-playing game.

3 Jared Lee Loughner, Tucson, who shot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and killed six others in Tucson in January 2011, was both mentally ill and a video gamer.

4. Eric Harris, based on his journal, a panel of psychologists, psychiatrists and FBI agents point to Harris' contempt for others and his total lack of empathy and conscience as evidence of his psychopathic tendencies. He also enjoyed violent video games.

5. Elliot Rodger, killed seven young men and women, including himself. He was hooked on violent video games from a young age from his own admission, hiding himself in World of Warcraft, where he felt comfortable and secure.

6. Nehemiah Griego, killed five, including his mother, father and his three younger siblings. He loved playing violent video games and even enjoyed talking about them to crime investigators.

7. Jacob Tyler Roberts, played violent video games (his rampage enacted a violent scene in Grand Theft Auto)

8. Anders Behring Breivik shot 68 people dead at a youth camp of the Norwegian Labor party, another nine in a bombing of government buildings According to the judgment rendered against him, he liked playing violent games. He actually used the video game Call of Duty to train for his shooting massacre.

9. Michael Carneal shot girls as they prayed in a prayer group. Carneal never moved his feet during his shootings, and never fired far to the left or right, but instead fired only once at each target that appeared, just as a player of video games maximizes his game score by shooting only once at each victim, in order to hit as many targets as possible.

10. Jose Reyes, a 12-year-old boy who opened fire with a semiautomatic handgun at Sparks Middle School last October, killing a teacher and wounding two students before turning the gun on himself, had watched violent video games for months.

11. Dylann Storm Roof, spent much of his time playing violent video games.

12. Jeff Weise, a 16-year-old, shot dead nine people at and near his high school in Red Lake, Minnesota, had an obsession with violent animation.

13. Chris Harper-Mercer, shot dead nine people and another seven injured in a community college in southern Oregon.

14. Evan Ramsey, snuck a shot gun into his high school and shot a student and the principal and wounded two others. He claims that a video game, Doom, distorted his version of reality: "I did not understand that if I pull out a gun and shoot you ... you're not getting back up. You shoot a guy in Doom, and he gets back up. You have got to shoot the things in Doom eight or nine times before it dies."

I bet they all drank water, breathed air, and ate food, too! The bastards!

Gimme a break... :lol:

I grew up playing first person shooters. Not once have I ever had an inclination to shoot up work, church, or the mall. Yes, parents absolutely have a responsibility to moderate what their children have access to. Games are rated just like movies for that reason, so people know what content to expect within them. Parents are also responsible for educating their children and helping to instill respect, common sense, and some level of intelligence into their offspring, yes. So you got that part right. But the games aren’t the problem. Literally hundreds of millions of people enjoy a little escape from reality with some gaming. The number of them who lose their minds is low enough that you’d likely need to use scientific notation to express it on paper as a percentage.

 

[Quake_Guy]

got piss poor parenting right, but blaming video games in this day and age is like blaming kickball in the 1950s, every kid did it.

Millenials and everyone younger than them has been taught by the public school system that the world is going to end in their lifetimes. Everyone is depressed. The entertainment has gotten exceptionally nihilistic as a result, think Rick and Morty and many other shows.

Combine that with a middle class that has been hammered from politicians of both parties and people think they are freaking doomed and start acting like the world is over.

Plus someone just said social media and the internet allows an individual to immerse themselves in a 24/7 shit show with like minded individuals normalizing their behavior. Used to be if you were a total weirdo, you would have a hard time finding like minded weirdos over your entire lifetime. Maybe you would run into one or two here and there. Now you can go online and find scores of them in 1 or 2 hours.

 

[338lapua]

I recall that in school disagreements were settled with fists in the bathroom and the argument was settled toe to toe. Now, to be fair video games were not yet in existence then. Bullies did what they did and sometimes got beat down. Nobody cried to the teacher. Different world today. Issue is parents that don't parent, mental health issues unaddressed and technology that makes killing look painless and shows these kids the reset button fixes all. We have a country full of fat kids, lazy kids and parents that let the little fockers sit on their butts and game instead of getting outside and playing / burning up energy and getting fit. Ask me how I know - I now have 3 grandkids moved in with me between the ages of 3 and 8. When they arrived all they did was game. I sorted that at the router level. Got them bikes and a trampoline and the game fixation is gone, the energy levels lowered at bed time.
I am sure there are many causative factors with this shooter phenomenon. We all know it sure as s*** is not the gun's fault.

Parents are not allowed to parent, throw your kid a ass beating and you may go to jail for it. Watched a neighbor go through it when he slapped his kid for lying. 15 months of court hell and lucky his ex was crazy and he got a judge that saw through it. But the kid is home and back to failing school and playing video games. Half the time when I take the dog out at 3am you can still see the flickering light from the kids window as he plays video games on a school night.

All you really missed was the this is done by design to take this country down as there is no winning a shooting war with the US, At least until so many fake shooting have happened that they finally take our semi autos away and then we are toast as a nation.

 

[Basher]

Yup! 18 in the list above.

And tonight most responsible, knowledgeable gun owners are sitting on edge of their seats, wondering what the Prez is going to say tomorrow.

K, so.... 18 out of how many millions? If I pull a random number out of the air, let’s say 100,000,000, then that’s 0.00000018% of gamers will crack. Compare that to the number of drunk or otherwise impaired drivers as a ratio, and you’ll get my point.

Look, I get it. One mass casualty event is one too many. But blaming a game is the same as blaming the gun. It’s a red herring. Violence is too prevalent in society, yes, but that’s a symptom, not a cause. Try again.

 

[xerts1191]

I go with the three Ps. Parents have been letting the computer and the tv raise their kids for a long time now.

 

[toyhunt]

I go with internet and media hype. A messed up person sees the 24/7 media coverage and says ,I can do that. Before the internet, tell me how many mass shootings were there? Instant fame on fakebook, is easy. I am old, we watched westerns 7 days a week.
We played cowboys and Indians,cops and robbers, took your shotgun to school to gun hunting or your .22 to shot rats at the dump. No one did mass shootings. You tell me what is really the problem? Oh, we pledged allegiance to the flag and had to read a bible verse, things have changed for the worse. Demonrats jumping on dead bodies to make money and push agendas would never been tolerated. Nut cases were put in mental hospitals after enough real signs of illness, we can thank politicians for all of it.

 

[Mauser98]

Stay tuned for next week, where we will discuss how pornography is causing divorce.

 

[QuietM4]

Politicians are always looking for the "easy" answer. Blaming the gun/game is easy...starting a conversation about bad parenting/single parent/mental health/personal responsibility is difficult and won't win you any votes from the sheep.

 

[17-21-23]

It all comes down to the evolution of parenting and the nuclear family.

 

[What]

I disagree.

One person mass killing has occured before video games were invented.

 

[Flash]

There have been a lot of them that occurred before video games were invented.

 

[shooter444]

Just like there has been a whole lot of catastrophic climate changes for millenniums, before the internal combustion engine was invented,... but these are facts,... nothing the Deep State Demoscats would be willing, or, able to debate!!!

 

[Tim McBride]

I disagree.

One person mass killing has occured before video games were invented.

They are part of the problem today. People get addicted to that shit, just like gambling, porn, watching sports or TV in general, they will watch or do that shit for hours.

In the last few years I worked with a lot of young men who play that shit, most can't sit down and have an intelligent conversation on anything except maybe loud f***ing head banging music, if you want to call that crap music.

Maybe the problem is with the people you work with? I frequently encounter articulate, well educated young people.

 

[Ben7]

Parents are not allowed to parent, throw your kid a ass beating and you may go to jail for it. Watched a neighbor go through it when he slapped his kid for lying. 15 months of court hell and lucky his ex was crazy and he got a judge that saw through it. But the kid is home and back to failing school and playing video games. Half the time when I take the dog out at 3am you can still see the flickering light from the kids window as he plays video games on a school night.

My wife works in the family court system. It is absolutely scary how easily you can have your kids taken from you, without a shred of evidence or proof. Scenarios like this (and worse) happen dozens of times a day. Parents are scared to discipline their kids because they know they can be taken away. The state has waaaaay too much power and leverage in these situations, much like Red Flag laws, a very slippery slope.

 

[What]

They are part of the problem today. People get addicted to that s***, just like gambling, porn, watching sports or TV in general, they will watch or do that s*** for hours.

In the last few years I worked with a lot of young men who play that s***, most can't sit down and have an intelligent conversation on anything except maybe loud f*** head banging music, if you want to call that crap music.

Part of society problem today? Possibly, but cause of mass killing? No.

Addiction has been around for as long Human lives. Applies to every sort of situation. No different than today.

I don't doubt that these type of fellas are not your type to hang out with, though that's on the parent for how they're raised/turning out.