kenpoprofessor said:
A_C Guy said:
The same could be said of you, Clyde. Many times you are just as divisive with some of your statements. Most recently claiming we don't need God.
The decline of our society has gone hand in hand with the the removal of God from the school system, removal of the 10 commandments from the court houses, the denial that the country was founded based upon Christian morals and belief in His divine leading. Read the various writings of the founding fathers and most had a strong faith in God; the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
If anyone wants to force their beliefs on me, they are my enemy, period. I am divisive, I am also a voice of reason and logic. Your theological beliefs do not affect me, until you attempt to make them do so. Until that time, maybe you should understand that there are non theists out there that do have a sense of morality, and it didn't come from Biblical scriptures. Inherently, we are programmed to know right from wrong, but, there's always some with that information not written in their DNA, they have brain issues that cause them to do unheard of things. Schizophrenia, Bi-Polar, etc., are issues that, according to you, god created, and man has to deal with. People say that god is perfection, but, there's living proof that is untrue. If it were, we'd live in Utopia.
Clyde
Where did it come from. Where are our origins?
1. You're anthropomorphizing God. You are trying to attach your own human understanding and logic to something far above and superior to your limited knowledge base. The world is in it's current state due to the effects of sin. Which amazingly how destructive this is, there is still so much good that persists in it. "For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. (Romans 1:20 ESV)
While we can say there is a lot of bad and horrible things humans do to each other there is still a ton of good to be seen and things to enjoy from the presence of the invisible God. There is also and always has been a plan for redemption for his creation and it was never God's design to separate his creation from him. Each new covenant lowered the price of admission until it included all of humanity, not just one group of people.
2. Sin affects us in a myriad of ways. OUR SINS affect others as Jesus reveals this to as "his disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” Jesus answered, “It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him." (John 9 :2-3 ESV) with this sometimes, the bad things people endure give hope and strength to those who can't. They also give them purpose and meaning.
A perfect example would be my own son who is on the spectrum. He is a fascinating person who has incredible talents. He can solve rubik's cubes by simply looking at them, remembers whole chess strategies by just reading it and watching it once, plays classical piano flawlessly. Has the patience to study for hours on end until he learns a concept, he has mental toughness where he can fight through a lot of misery and still keep going when most would quit. He is an exceptional martial artist and is largely considered to be one of the best submission grapplers within the United States. He is a 14 year old kid that terrorizes adults and has barely hit his stride. As an adult he has the ability to become a world champion. His game is complex and adaptable.
You would call this a flaw. I call it a super power. He might be limited in carrying on any conversation as he only is interested in the topics that are important to him and will tend to repeat things excessively and has a muted ability to understand emotions and peoples intentions, but he has a TON of purpose and inspires others and gives them hope.
A simple google search of his name pulls up his accomplishments.
