Springfield Echelon

[gunpoorboy1]

Just got home with a new Echelon and went directly to the Manual as I usually do on new guns and there was no manual in the box. Not sure if the gun store lost it or if Springfield just doesn't include them with this firearm as they can be accessed on line.

Anyone else have this problem.

 

[kenpoprofessor]

Just got home with a new Echelon and went directly to the Manual as I usually do on new guns and there was no manual in the box. Not sure if the gun store lost it or if Springfield just doesn't include them with this firearm as they can be accessed on line.

Anyone else have this problem.

Why do you need a manual? There's literally information spitting out of the internet with this gun, go find it.

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

 

[rockbronco]

Just got home with a new Echelon and went directly to the Manual as I usually do on new guns and there was no manual in the box. Not sure if the gun store lost it or if Springfield just doesn't include them with this firearm as they can be accessed on line.

Anyone else have this problem.

Why do you need a manual? There's literally information spitting out of the internet with this gun, go find it.

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

Why would you not want one? I think its a valid question that he is simply asking if they are included or not now. I rarely reference a manual on a firearm but there have been times it definitely made getting my answer by grabbing the manual for it quicker then getting online to search for it. I personally like to flip pages rather then clicks. It makes it easier at the work bench too. This applies to all kinds of things not just firearms.

I would not be surprised if Springfield cut the costs by not printing a manual most people will not read so they put that on the customer to print one themselves if they so desire. The last Springfield I had was a hellcat and it came with a manual. Post your thoughts on the Echelon after you take it out. I fingered one at AmmoAZ but was not sold on it but seems like a decent gat.

 

[kenpoprofessor]

Why would you not want one? I think its a valid question that he is simply asking if they are included or not now. I rarely reference a manual on a firearm but there have been times it definitely made getting my answer by grabbing the manual for it quicker then getting online to search for it. I personally like to flip pages rather then clicks. It makes it easier at the work bench too. This applies to all kinds of things not just firearms.

I would not be surprised if Springfield cut the costs by not printing a manual most people will not read so they put that on the customer to print one themselves if they so desire. The last Springfield I had was a hellcat and it came with a manual. Post your thoughts on the Echelon after you take it out. I fingered one at AmmoAZ but was not sold on it but seems like a decent gat.

Here's why you don't "need" a manual in the box. If you have a "smartphone" at the bench, it's right there as well.


https://support.springfield-armory.com/manuals/echelon-manual

Sorry you FUDDS can't keep up with the tech when it comes to the new stuff. I'm old, but you have to accept the "old way" isn't going to be relevant anymore. Yes, I've finger banged the Echelon, I thought the trigger sucked, and the juice ain't worth the $queeze on this one.

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

 

[gunpoorboy1]

I indicated in my question that I could access one on-line. That was not the question----from now on Cloyd, read the note before answering. Better yet, just don't answer, you're very seldom helpful.

And yes, I prefer a written manual over internet scripture.
I'll let you know how I like the Echelon after I shoot it. (if that's alright with Cloyd.

 

[kenpoprofessor]

I indicated in my question that I could access one on-line. That was not the question----from now on Cloyd, read the note before answering. Better yet, just don't answer, you're very seldom helpful.

And yes, I prefer a written manual over internet scripture.
I'll let you know how I like the Echelon after I shoot it. (if that's alright with Cloyd.

OK FUDD

Clyde

 

[rockbronco]

Has nothing to do with keeping up with tech. Just preference of a paper manual over digital and was it supposed to come with one.

This brings up another thought about required stuff in the box such as a trigger lock? is a printed manual required to be shipped with a new firearm? Just curious as Ive never thought about that before.

 

[Shootist]

You can contact Springfield Armory and have them mail you a manual.

 

[kenpoprofessor]

Has nothing to do with keeping up with tech. Just preference of a paper manual over digital and was it supposed to come with one.

This brings up another thought about required stuff in the box such as a trigger lock? is a printed manual required to be shipped with a new firearm? Just curious as Ive never thought about that before.

You realize, it took me ten seconds to find the answer to your question on Youtube. See, this is what I mean, you write a question, expecting an answer, when all you had to do was a ten second search on YT. FUDD stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUiekUkPlmA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnyD0J9g3vE

Clyde

 

[gunpoorboy1]

Relax Cloyd, you'll have a stroke.

For the rest of you, I contacted Springfield today and she verified they no longer send out hard manuals but will mail me one.
Also, I've seen other questions regarding the fact that the box only contains two packages of pins when there should be three to complete the set for the various optics. She advised that the third set is already installed below the plate.

 

[rockbronco]

Good info, especially on the pins, I could see that being an easily missed thing.

I bet if enough people call for a manual they might rethink going full digital on that. I know you could print one too but its nice to have a bound copy with front and back print

 

[kenpoprofessor]

Good info, especially on the pins, I could see that being an easily missed thing.

I bet if enough people call for a manual they might rethink going full digital on that. I know you could print one too but its nice to have a bound copy with front and back print

Well, I'm gonna say, there's probably only a handful of folks like yourself that want that, so, I don't see it happening, EVER. It's just stupid, and costly, to add it in when the information is so readily available digitally, and there are not enough dinosaurs who want it to even contemplate adding it. We live in a digital age, maybe you don't, but the rest of us do. Catch up with times, we can't go back, well, not right now anyway.

Clyde

 

[kenpoprofessor]

Relax Cloyd, you'll have a stroke.

For the rest of you, I contacted Springfield today and she verified they no longer send out hard manuals but will mail me one.
Also, I've seen other questions regarding the fact that the box only contains two packages of pins when there should be three to complete the set for the various optics. She advised that the third set is already installed below the plate.

Had you done more research on the gun, you would've found that information without even picking up a phone. And, you'd learn more about your new purchase than you'd ever thought. FUDDs, everywhere, it's sad.

Clyde

 

[knockonit]

hmm, digital age, not for me, when the power goes out then wtf :lol:

 

[paulgt2164]

I like to have a paper manual as well. I am not always in places that have internet, or sometimes I don't want to sort through the garbage on the internet to get an answer when I can just grab the manual. Often times the manuals have the parts breakdowns which can be super useful. It is like service manuals for vehicles - sometimes having the actual physical copy is more convenient than having the digital on a device. There are advantages to both physical and digital.

Funny when the person calling others "fudd" is the one acting the most like it, and for no valid reason. Some serious s.d.e going on there.

 

[trailboss60]

Good info, especially on the pins, I could see that being an easily missed thing.

I bet if enough people call for a manual they might rethink going full digital on that. I know you could print one too but its nice to have a bound copy with front and back print

I too prefer a printed manual, regardless of what product I have. I don’t care for E-readers either, I will take a book any day.

Found this on the internets from the online dictionary:

“What does being a Fudd mean?
Noun. Fudd (plural Fudds) (derogatory) A gun-owner who supports traditional hunting guns but favors gun control for other guns such as handguns or tactical rifles. (derogatory) A bumbling and ill-educated person.“

I don’t think that description characterizes the op.

 

[kenpoprofessor]

hmm, digital age, not for me, when the power goes out then wtf :lol:

If the power goes out, we're totally screwed anyway. No phones to call, no internet, it's why you use the availability of the information we have now to prepare for that eventuality. And yes, you're not thumbing your nose at the digital age, you and I both embrace the luxury it provides at times. :mrgreen: even though we're as "old school" as they come.

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

 

[kenpoprofessor]

Good info, especially on the pins, I could see that being an easily missed thing.

I bet if enough people call for a manual they might rethink going full digital on that. I know you could print one too but its nice to have a bound copy with front and back print

I too prefer a printed manual, regardless of what product I have. I don’t care for E-readers either, I will take a book any day.

Found this on the internets from the online dictionary:

“What does being a Fudd mean?
Noun. Fudd (plural Fudds) (derogatory) A gun-owner who supports traditional hunting guns but favors gun control for other guns such as handguns or tactical rifles. (derogatory) A bumbling and ill-educated person.“

I don’t think that description characterizes the op.

There are lots of "definitions" for FUDDs, not just that one, but the "bumbling and ill educated" seems to fit this situation. That only encompasses a bit of what a FUDD is. I had a conversation with a few guys in the last few weeks who wouldn't consider themselves FUDDs, but they were. Holding up a pistol with a teacup grip saying there's only one gun he shoots well, and then calling the magazine a clip while claiming he's owned guns for 50 years FUDD, period.

Clyde

 

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[Racewin]

A reasonable question.

I also like (not require) having a paper manual as a hard reference, and as part of a more complete firearm purchase package. Sometimes, I find it faster to just look it up on paper. Also, anything online can be altered, or unavailable if power/web goes down.

In the case of the Echelon, the manual was easily accessible and (in theory) printable from their site, though it does seem to have some embedded videos. Hopefully they are passing some of the print cost savings on to the customer.