Self-defense or murder? (video) Ruger PC carbine used in Texas on front porch
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kenpoprofessor
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AR-15Man said:
I watched the video quite a few times, and this was murder, plain and simple. There was just too much time to disengage and keep distance. I know the guy was "trespassing", and, he decided he wanted to be the "big man" and face off with guy holding a rifle, and that was an obvious mistake. Once he grabbed for the gun, if the gun had "gone off" in the struggle, it would be self defense, but the disengagement and distance made it murder. If the "big" guy had rushed the one with the gun like Rosenbaum did to Kyle, then it would also be self defense.
That's just my opinion.
Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day
Clyde
samnev
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This is a close one. But I see it as case of "Quienes Mas Macho" if my Spanish is correct. But I'm leaning toward murder as the guy was out of danger when he went into his house only to reengage with the Ruger.
SupportTheSecond
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Everything I've seen said no charges.
kenpoprofessor
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SupportTheSecond said:
The gun guy had every opportunity to disengage, he escalated, at the very least, 3rd degree murder. Now, the 'big" guy was as stupid as they come, and he paid the price for it, so I'm not really sympathizing for his acts. My jury vote would be guilty of some form of manslaughter or murder.
Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day
Clyde
Rock Hardson
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This explains a lot about the players
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.lubbockonline.com/amp/8765295002
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.lubbockonline.com/amp/8765295002
Murder Two.
Cubiclerevolt
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I'm seeing a lot of Arizona self defense law creep into what Texas does. This would have be based on what the laws regarding lethal force apply to their laws.
Would I have shot? No.
I can reason with people and attempt to de-escalate and if someone wants to go hands on like bio dad did, I can deal with that as well. If I was the current bf with the ex wife I would have tried to reason with the dad and convinced mom to trade at a neutral place, hell even a police station if it's that contentious. More witnesses the better and people are on their better-ish behavior when in public with witnesses around.
I don't know about you but if someone comes out of their house with a carbine in their hands and tells me to leave their property, I am not going to aggravate and escalate the situation further.
Document and leave.
The hubris of people these days the immense pressure people are under thinking people won't snap is really ignorant.
Being in prison or dead as the later applies does not help your children and their future.
Would I have shot? No.
I can reason with people and attempt to de-escalate and if someone wants to go hands on like bio dad did, I can deal with that as well. If I was the current bf with the ex wife I would have tried to reason with the dad and convinced mom to trade at a neutral place, hell even a police station if it's that contentious. More witnesses the better and people are on their better-ish behavior when in public with witnesses around.
I don't know about you but if someone comes out of their house with a carbine in their hands and tells me to leave their property, I am not going to aggravate and escalate the situation further.
Document and leave.
The hubris of people these days the immense pressure people are under thinking people won't snap is really ignorant.
Being in prison or dead as the later applies does not help your children and their future.
Cubiclerevolt
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Also note if I was the current BF of this woman, I would be hastily finding an exit.
I think we can agree that daring people to shoot you is not an ideal tactic. Ask Jacob Rosenbaum.
Cubiclerevolt
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smithers599 said:
:clap: This.
SupportTheSecond
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The headline says not charged but unless I missed something I didn't see it in the story.
https://100percentfedup.com/get-off-my-property-tx-man-not-charged-for-shooting-death-of-girlfriends-ex-husband-during-angry-child-custody-confrontation-on-front-porch-video/
https://100percentfedup.com/get-off-my-property-tx-man-not-charged-for-shooting-death-of-girlfriends-ex-husband-during-angry-child-custody-confrontation-on-front-porch-video/
Surprised there is no criminal charge yet, but the widow is not waiting around.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/chad-read-s-widow-seeks-50m-in-wrongful-death-lawsuit-against-kyle-carruth/ar-AARjfKP
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/chad-read-s-widow-seeks-50m-in-wrongful-death-lawsuit-against-kyle-carruth/ar-AARjfKP
Here's what we know for sure:
- The Ruger PCC is effective at close ranges
- Even though a white guy shot another white guy, the Left will say the shooter was racist
- You don't f*** with guys named Kyle
- The Ruger PCC is effective at close ranges
- Even though a white guy shot another white guy, the Left will say the shooter was racist
- You don't f*** with guys named Kyle
Crippledtrigger
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Another point, ignoring the fact black shirt guy probably removed his ability to claim self defense by escalating the situation by introducing a gun into a situation where no force whatsoever was justified and fired the weapon at the other guys feet, if you think grabbing the gun is justification that justification ends as soon as the struggle for the gun breaks and they separate. At that point the dead guy obviously was not pressing his attack or disarming attempt and enough distance created for that justification to be over.
Retard rodeo, all parties lose.
Retard rodeo, all parties lose.
Crippledtrigger
Member
Also you have no right to claim self defense when committing a crime.
Another theory why shooter will eventually face justice for the murder, besides the fact he did the escalating and the threat to take the gun was over
It's becoming apparent they were playing whack a mole with the kids. Custodial interference. A felony. Telling him they were one place then another and then that they were another cause he was late picking them up. Which because they sent him on a wild goose chase. Mom admits to this effectively saying she wanted more time with the kids. They why wasnt she with them?
The kids forced mom to dump the shooter boyfriend who many are starting to think she may have manipulated into this mess. Not giving him a pass at all but the mom started this retard rodeo with her custody games and nothing will happen to her.
Well she may lose the kids to dead mans fiance but that's gonna be a heavy lift. The oldest kid is already threatening to run away from mom over this.
Stay tuned for the rest of the story.
Another theory why shooter will eventually face justice for the murder, besides the fact he did the escalating and the threat to take the gun was over
It's becoming apparent they were playing whack a mole with the kids. Custodial interference. A felony. Telling him they were one place then another and then that they were another cause he was late picking them up. Which because they sent him on a wild goose chase. Mom admits to this effectively saying she wanted more time with the kids. They why wasnt she with them?
The kids forced mom to dump the shooter boyfriend who many are starting to think she may have manipulated into this mess. Not giving him a pass at all but the mom started this retard rodeo with her custody games and nothing will happen to her.
Well she may lose the kids to dead mans fiance but that's gonna be a heavy lift. The oldest kid is already threatening to run away from mom over this.
Stay tuned for the rest of the story.
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