Liberty Safe finks out on customers with the feds

[Tenring]

The older turn combo lock, right, left, right, left, come with the combo set, I don't think it can be changed short of calling a Locksmith.

The electronic locks have one or two preset combos that remain as a courtesy even after your set yours. It is in their instructions so a person cannot say they did not know, I thought it was in case you lock yourself out.

I thought it was for when you lock yourself out as well.

By Liberty's paperwork I saw today posted up by someone, you have to have a locksmith call them, which seems odd.

 

[Doc]

The older turn combo lock, right, left, right, left, come with the combo set, I don't think it can be changed short of calling a Locksmith.

The electronic locks have one or two preset combos that remain as a courtesy even after your set yours. It is in their instructions so a person cannot say they did not know, I thought it was in case you lock yourself out.

I thought it was for when you lock yourself out as well.

By Liberty's paperwork I saw today posted up by someone, you have to have a locksmith call them, which seems odd.

Maybe the locksmith verifies your identification?

 

[Tenring]

OK - here it is out of the last Liberty Safe I bought, this is a manual lock, says the same about combo locks, which I presume is electronic.

 

[shorepatrol]

Real simple to me. Do Liberty safes have a backdoor code you can't change and don't disclose it up front. If so, Liberty won't sell another safe regardless of all the other controversy

 

[Tenring]

Another question is how many other safe manufacturers store the combo ...... imagine when AI is in control all the chit is going to really be hitting the fan then, like my home security system etc.

 

[Tenring]

Something else I just thought of, how secure is the information, name address, safe combo, after registering a safe at Liberty ....... can it be hacked or stolen ...... then someone would know where all the registered safes are and how to open them.

 

[QuietM4]

Reason #1 not to have a digital combo lock.

As someone who has actually sold gun safes while working in firearms retail in past work, I can tell you from first hand experience that the vast majority of safe manufacturers are able to tell you the combo to your safe. Doesn't matter if it is a digital or analog dial. If your safe has a serial number on the back of it, the manufacturer knows the factory set combo. Liberty, American Securities, Browning/Winchester (branded by another safe company), etc...they all have that info on hand for when customers forget/lose the combo. Unless you paid a professional gunsmith to change the combo after you bought your safe, the info is readily available.

Every gun safe I've owned has been an analog dial...never digital. I paid a locksmith to change the combo on the first safe I owned, but after watching him do it, it's a simple task that I did myself with future safes, and not just gun safes.

I'm not concerned about Liberty giving the info to LEO...I'd rather they do that than have my safe drilled out and rendered inoperable. My concern is that THEY RETAIN THE INFO. Why would you retain that information? To help your customers for can't keep/remember a few numbers? You're an adult, figure out how to call a locksmith.

I have no ill will toward Liberty...NEARLY EVERY safe company does this...Liberty just happened to get exposed for doing it. They shouldn't need a subpoena, because they shouldn't retain that info.

And, as you all should know...LOCKS ONLY STOP HONEST PEOPLE (and people who don't know how YouTube works).

 

[Drmark]

https://youtu.be/B9b2WcpY7xo?si=uCYmvYzoSXDyPEQs

 

[paulgt2164]

I have no ill will toward Liberty...NEARLY EVERY safe company does this...Liberty just happened to get exposed for doing it. They shouldn't need a subpoena, because they shouldn't retain that info.

This. I would bet nearlyevery safe manufacturer would have done the same exact thing Liberty did, they just were the first to get "exposed" doing it. I bet Liberty's competition will start singing the "we wouldnt do that, we don't do that" PR now - even though they totally would have. Dance around with the silly memes, boycott, and be "shocked and outraged" all you want - but lets be real.

The reaction to this is hilarious, cause I bet all these people dumping their liberties (or saying they are going to) will buy another companies safe - that would do the same thing. The best we can hope for is maybe this will change some internal policies at Liberty (and other manufacturers) to make this harder to do. But, in the grand scheme of things - if "they" want in your safe - they will get in your safe.

 

[QuietM4]

I have no ill will toward Liberty...NEARLY EVERY safe company does this...Liberty just happened to get exposed for doing it. They shouldn't need a subpoena, because they shouldn't retain that info.

This. I would bet nearlyevery safe manufacturer would have done the same exact thing Liberty did, they just were the first to get "exposed" doing it. I bet Liberty's competition will start singing the "we wouldnt do that, we don't do that" PR now - even though they totally would have. Dance around with the silly memes, boycott, and be "shocked and outraged" all you want - but lets be real.

The reaction to this is hilarious, cause I bet all these people dumping their liberties (or saying they are going to) will buy another companies safe - that would do the same thing. The best we can hope for is maybe this will change some internal policies at Liberty (and other manufacturers) to make this harder to do. But, in the grand scheme of things - if "they" want in your safe - they will get in your safe.

Nearly every safe manufacturer DOES and WILL DO this for their customers. Liberty just got 'caught'. And yes....people will dump their Liberty safes and buy another brand who WILL DO and DOES the same exact thing.

If you require ANY company...Bud Light, Chick-fil-A, In-N-Out, Black Rifle Coffee Co, Liberty, etc...to adopt and share YOUR EXACT VALUES in order for you to purchase their product(s)...you WILL BE LIED TO CONSTANTLY.

 

[Tenring]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMhQeXBzJ3Q

 

[Drmark]

I have no ill will toward Liberty...NEARLY EVERY safe company does this...Liberty just happened to get exposed for doing it. They shouldn't need a subpoena, because they shouldn't retain that info.

This. I would bet nearlyevery safe manufacturer would have done the same exact thing Liberty did, they just were the first to get "exposed" doing it. I bet Liberty's competition will start singing the "we wouldnt do that, we don't do that" PR now - even though they totally would have. Dance around with the silly memes, boycott, and be "shocked and outraged" all you want - but lets be real.

The reaction to this is hilarious, cause I bet all these people dumping their liberties (or saying they are going to) will buy another companies safe - that would do the same thing. The best we can hope for is maybe this will change some internal policies at Liberty (and other manufacturers) to make this harder to do. But, in the grand scheme of things - if "they" want in your safe - they will get in your safe.

Really? This is all bullshit! Liberty f***ing rolled over, and everyone is ok with this shit? Just like common sense gun laws, and red flag laws?

I hate Apple due to their left-wing views, but they never caved in regarding civil rights, and I applaud them for that!

What happened to integrity? Gone like a chicks virginity on Prom night?

The fact is Liberty f***ed up, and should have made the feds work for their agenda, and they didn't. Just because "all" safe manufacturers supposedly retain original combinations, codes, doesn't mean they'd cave.

I just got off the phone with American Security, and guess what? My information was purged from their system before I contacted them.

Give an inch, and they'll take a mile! Ridiculous!

 

[Suck My Glock]

We dig deeper and find another rock layer,....


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/liberty-safe-ceo-s-obama-donations-spark-renewed-backlash/ar-AA1goolv?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=3a9d03b9e804491da2a73516218b628b&ei=18

In September 2021, Liberty Safe was acquired by Monomoy Capital Partners, a private investment firm that has offices in New York and Connecticut and $2.7 billion in committed capital across five investment funds. Liberty Safe operates out of its Payson, Utah, facility.

The manufacturer's CEO, Justin Hillenbrand, [highlight=yellow]made political contributions to Obama twice[/highlight] when the Democrat was a first-time presidential nominee in 2008, totaling $4,600, according to Federal Election Commission (FEC) records.

Monomoy founding partner Stephen Presser, who died in March, is [highlight=yellow]listed by the FEC as making countless individual contributions to myriad Democrats, including current Senators Raphael Warnock, John Fetterman and Mark Kelly.[/highlight] The company's max donations over the last 10 election cycles have totaled almost $400,000.
[highlight=yellow]
"And we're supposed to be surprised they betrayed their customers to the FBI as quickly as humanly possible?"[/highlight] Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk wrote on X, formerly Twitter.

 

[Tenring]

This is short and to the point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4jRmhCXERw&t=35s

 

[kenpoprofessor]

Nearly every safe manufacturer DOES and WILL DO this for their customers. Liberty just got 'caught'. And yes....people will dump their Liberty safes and buy another brand who WILL DO and DOES the same exact thing.

If you require ANY company...Bud Light, Chick-fil-A, In-N-Out, Black Rifle Coffee Co, Liberty, etc...to adopt and share YOUR EXACT VALUES in order for you to purchase their product(s)...you WILL BE LIED TO CONSTANTLY.

Yes, they do it for "their customers", not the FBI, ATF, or any other alphabet agency. They wait for a warrant to disclose that information, not just "Ok, here ya go". FAFO for them, they screwed the pooch.

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

 

[Drmark]

If you require ANY company...Bud Light, Chick-fil-A, In-N-Out, Black Rifle Coffee Co, Liberty, etc...to adopt and share YOUR EXACT VALUES in order for you to purchase their product(s)...you WILL BE LIED TO CONSTANTLY.

I don't require any company to adopt my values. As an American consumer, they should share the same values as I have. If they don't f*** them!

What happened to loving our country and why it was founded, and what it stands for? The demasculinization of our country is absolutely sickening!

 

[Tenring]

Per Liberal Safe's new policy - I do not want to fill out a form giving Liberal Safe more information than they already have. Just so they can get rid of some information that they should not have, I am supposed to trust them.....

If Liberal Safe was straight up, they would send all their customers instructions on how to delete the back door combos and destroy the database of information collected from their customers.

 

[Suck My Glock]

How to change out your existing electronic/digital lock for a different one.

https://youtu.be/M5NefgjI49A?si=xHXJHuYpWZjioVAl&t=755

 

[Bottom Gun]

Is there any reason the safe can only recognize ONE access code? Can it be programmed to respond to the either the manufacturer's master code OR the user's code? I wonder . . . . . . . .

 

[samnev]

Liberty - the Bud Light of gun safes.

Even worse than Bud Light. If I ever need a safe it won't be one of the Liberty Not Safe's. They can kiss my behind. :eusa-naughty: