Liberty Safe finks out on customers with the feds

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So here's the story (in so far as I understand it),...Feds get a warrant AGAINST THE SUSPECT to search their property, including the contents of their Liberty safe. The feds contact Liberty Safe Company, mention they have a warrant to search this particular safe, and requests (not demand or compel by court order) that Liberty provide the access code to the digital combination lock to allow the feds to access the safe. Liberty complies willingly and without coercion, giving the feds the necessary codes.

Here is the moral dilemma: if the warrant were targeted at Liberty, compelling them to comply and provide the access codes, certainly no one would argue that Liberty was wrong to do so. HOWEVER,...the warrant in hand at the time of this request compelled ONLY the suspect or other residents perhaps living at the target premises. Liberty has/had no obligation to provide access codes to the safe of their customer,...and should Liberty even possess such codes after custody of the product transfers to the customer? Isn't that a liability rather than a feature?

While perhaps no one here has any reason to fear the feds executing a search warrant on their gun safe, this would seem to make a strong argument for NOT getting the electronic/digital combo dial systems, regardless of manufacturer. And there's no way I'm ever buying a Liberty product ever, that's for damned sure. The feds are certain to get into the gun safe one way or another, so one might say there is no point to resisting such a "request" by law enforcement. But the principle involved is always paramount. Authorities must ALWAYS be made to work anything and everything, and NEVER given an even break.

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There is even a more rudimentary question, what credit card company told the FBI that he bought a liberty gun safe?

The FBI warrant doesn't seem to cover his financial transactions.

https://youtube.com/shorts/ywZUIId0kI0
 
Another poster here started another thread:

https://www.arizonashooting.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=20534
 
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https://notthebee.com/article/liberty-safes-under-fire-after-giving-fbi-passcode-for-safe-in-january-6th-case
 
Does "access code" mean the default combination set at the factory or is it a "master key" that allows the company and law enforcement back door access to the safe?

Wouldn't changing the combination after taking delivery be a good idea?

Not like they can't saw or cut the safe open anyway.
 
aroyobob said:
Does "access code" mean the default combination set at the factory or is it a "master key" that allows the company and law enforcement back door access to the safe?

Wouldn't changing the combination after taking delivery be a good idea?

Not like they can't saw or cut the safe open anyway.

This was my question. Why would liberty know the combo in the first place unless there is a master code stored that they have logged and can not be changed by the owner?

The owner should be able to change the code and not have a master code on the backend. Granted this will only slow them down in destroying it to get into the thing but I can only imagine the issues with having a code stored. You know that will be abused.
 
The older turn combo lock, right, left, right, left, come with the combo set, I don't think it can be changed short of calling a Locksmith.

The electronic locks have one or two preset combos that remain as a courtesy even after your set yours. It is in their instructions so a person cannot say they did not know, I thought it was in case you lock yourself out.
 
Tenring said:
The older turn combo lock, right, left, right, left, come with the combo set, I don't think it can be changed short of calling a Locksmith.

The electronic locks have one or two preset combos that remain as a courtesy even after your set yours. It is in their instructions so a person cannot say they did not know, I thought it was in case you lock yourself out.

I thought it was for when you lock yourself out as well.
 
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