Lagging FFL transfers

[paulgt2164]

I had a friend who had a lower for an AR shipped to Tombstone Tactical - so he knew when it was dropped off. He happened to be in the area when it was so he stopped in to see when it would be available. They said it would be a week at minimum. And what does that stellar service cost? $50 bucks. LOL.

That is why I use MLS arms in N. Phoenix. 25 dollar transfers and same day/next day availability for pick up. With as many staff as I see standing around at Tombstone you think they would at least get transfers and orders out the door quicker since they charge sh*tty pawn shop transfer prices.

Tombstone also quotes 14 days for ordered guns too - and everytime I order one through them it is ready to be picked up exactly 14 days. Funny, I think they don't show you the tracking numbers or shipping info for things ordered through them (there is a box for that info to be populated when you check on the order) because they don't want people angry at their lackadaisical customer service when it comes to transfers and orders.

I have bought quite a few firearms from Tombstone over the last few years - and everytime they are the only ones showing what I want as available "from their warehouse" (which isn't really their warehouse methinks) I cringe a bit when I click "buy." The in-store service is fine (albeit super slow.)

 

[kenpoprofessor]

You guys are all getting hosed. $15 transfer, and I can go get it 20 minutes after delivery, and I have the last 3 I ordered.


Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

 

[kenpoprofessor]

I had a friend who had a lower for an AR shipped to Tombstone Tactical - so he knew when it was dropped off. He happened to be in the area when it was so he stopped in to see when it would be available. They said it would be a week at minimum. And what does that stellar service cost? $50 bucks. LOL.

That is why I use MLS arms in N. Phoenix. 25 dollar transfers and same day/next day availability for pick up. With as many staff as I see standing around at Tombstone you think they would at least get transfers and orders out the door quicker since they charge sh*tty pawn shop transfer prices.

Tombstone also quotes 14 days for ordered guns too - and everytime I order one through them it is ready to be picked up exactly 14 days. Funny, I think they don't show you the tracking numbers or shipping info for things ordered through them (there is a box for that info to be populated when you check on the order) because they don't want people angry at their lackadaisical customer service when it comes to transfers and orders.

I have bought quite a few firearms from Tombstone over the last few years - and everytime they are the only ones showing what I want as available "from their warehouse" (which isn't really their warehouse methinks) I cringe a bit when I click "buy." The in-store service is fine (albeit super slow.)

Ammo AZ for the win, I can finger bang every gun on display, purchase when ready, screw Tombstone. Even their FFL transfer is only $35, I get mine free if I want, for veterans.

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

 

[XJThrottle]

Our shop charges $30 and we process within minutes of getting a gun in.. Most of our customers could have bought from us in the first place and got the same price and allowed us to make a few extra bucks. If it was up to me we would charge $50 for all transfers that didn't come in to give us a chance to get the sale first. If we can't then we could do the transfer for our normal $30 or even less.

My boss thinks charging more will hurt our business but, since almost every single person who buys on line never spends a dime in the shop otherwise what would we really be losing... These idiots drive to bass pro shop to get their ammo deals because they save a few bucks so, I say let them drive 50 miles for their transfer too... Although someone told me Bass Pro charges $50 for a transfer too. Maybe someone can verify that...

LOL..

The reasons you are an employee and not the owner are 100% laid out in this post. The owner gets it. You, not so much (or at all)...

Traffic.

A small shop has to bring it in. It being TRAFFIC. A 4473 is one way to get peeps in your shop. OK, so a guy just wants to do the paper and be gone. Other guys browse.

My chic used to run with the ladies crew at C2. The nights she was left alone were the most expensive. "Free" ladies nights my azz...

 

[kenpoprofessor]

Our shop charges $30 and we process within minutes of getting a gun in.. Most of our customers could have bought from us in the first place and got the same price and allowed us to make a few extra bucks. If it was up to me we would charge $50 for all transfers that didn't come in to give us a chance to get the sale first. If we can't then we could do the transfer for our normal $30 or even less.

My boss thinks charging more will hurt our business but, since almost every single person who buys on line never spends a dime in the shop otherwise what would we really be losing... These idiots drive to bass pro shop to get their ammo deals because they save a few bucks so, I say let them drive 50 miles for their transfer too... Although someone told me Bass Pro charges $50 for a transfer too. Maybe someone can verify that...

LOL..

The reasons you are an employee and not the owner are 100% laid out in this post. The owner gets it. You, not so much (or at all)...

I think he may be forgetting that many times, ordering online means no tax on sales, ergo, save a few hundred on a new toy.

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

 

[XJThrottle]

Our shop charges $30 and we process within minutes of getting a gun in.. Most of our customers could have bought from us in the first place and got the same price and allowed us to make a few extra bucks. If it was up to me we would charge $50 for all transfers that didn't come in to give us a chance to get the sale first. If we can't then we could do the transfer for our normal $30 or even less.

My boss thinks charging more will hurt our business but, since almost every single person who buys on line never spends a dime in the shop otherwise what would we really be losing... These idiots drive to bass pro shop to get their ammo deals because they save a few bucks so, I say let them drive 50 miles for their transfer too... Although someone told me Bass Pro charges $50 for a transfer too. Maybe someone can verify that...

LOL..

The reasons you are an employee and not the owner are 100% laid out in this post. The owner gets it. You, not so much (or at all)...

I think he may be forgetting that many times, ordering online means no tax on sales, ergo, save a few hundred on a new toy.

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

I was editing my post while you replied...but any more tax is applied across the board. If a vendor states "NO TAX" they are just eating it on the transaction..

 

[kenpoprofessor]

LOL..

The reasons you are an employee and not the owner are 100% laid out in this post. The owner gets it. You, not so much (or at all)...

I think he may be forgetting that many times, ordering online means no tax on sales, ergo, save a few hundred on a new toy.

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

I was editing my post while you replied...but any more tax is applied across the board. If a vendor states "NO TAX" they are just eating it on the transaction..

OK, if you say so. I've bought plenty of guns in the last couple of years, best prices I've ever seen, and over half didn't get tax from me on checkout, at least online.

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

 

[XJThrottle]

I think he may be forgetting that many times, ordering online means no tax on sales, ergo, save a few hundred on a new toy.

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

I was editing my post while you replied...but any more tax is applied across the board. If a vendor states "NO TAX" they are just eating it on the transaction..

OK, if you say so. I've bought plenty of guns in the last couple of years, best prices I've ever seen, and over half didn't get tax from me on checkout, at least online.

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

Its not a matter of "if I say so"..

The tax on the purchase has to be paid. Whether they put it as a line item on your sales order doesn't matter. "You" do pay the tax. It's just figured into the total cost of the item and back figured by some algorithm the I don't give F about.. The vendor is the one to set the price.

Which one tickles you better? If the combined taxes are 10% and they say " no tax", or you're getting X% off with the sales total being the same dollar amount?

 

[TheAccountant]

That’s not exactly true. A retailer has to have nexus in the state in order to be required to collect sales tax. Up until a few years ago that meant some sort of physical presence in the state. The SC overturned that decades-old case and now nexus can be established through a sufficient amount of business conducted in the state. A small retailer may not meet the threshold, or may not be sophisticated enough to be aware of the requirements, so no sales tax is collected at the time of the sale. You are supposed to self-report the purchase and remit use tax (which is generally equal to what sales tax would have been collected) with your state income tax return… who actually does that? No clue.

 

[MarkItZero]

I do most of my transfers at a local pawn shop that only charges $10. I do always buy something from them in addition to the transfer though. Usually ammo, but once they didn't have any ammo so I bought a Morgan dollar. Another time they were out of ammo but I purchased a box set of Entourage dvds

 

[Boriqua]

While certainly not a great money maker .. I would think receiving is a nice little revenue stream. There are cheaper and there are more expensive but it seems that the average is about $25 to be a receiving FFL. I don't know how many in AZ still maintain a CCW for the convenience but when I pick up a gun with my CCW I fill out the form in about 5 minutes, pay my fee and walk. Get 8 of those a week and you are talking the profit they supposedly make on the sale of a new gun and they didn't have to provide a product. Add to that what XJthrottle mentioned .. the traffic generated and its a win win.

Im not in the business so I dont know what else is involved or how difficult it is to maintain records but it seems to me that $25 for 5 minutes time would be welcome. Multiply that by "X" if you are someone that provides a timely phone call when its received and a smile when someone comes to collect and even if the shelves are bare you have income.

 

[Winmagbill]

I don’t buy online very often but will give a shop the chance to match price. Sometimes it’s an in stock notification and I don’t fool around a just buy it. I always pay the transfer fee in cash. Last transfer was a new shop with great people. Been back twice to buy stuff. Never would have happened if I hadn’t done the transfer there.

 

[That Guy]

I purchased a rifle onling and had it sent to a local FFL/' gun store and they have had it for 3 days and still have not logged it into their system. Which means I can not pick up my new rifle. Any thoughts on this ??

Unless there was some kind of extraordinary reason (death, illness, some sort of emergency) three days is BS. Yeah, when everyone was freaking out during Covid and the riots three days to log a firearm was understandable-in fact some FFL holders literally stopped doing transfers, but now? Gimme a break. I dunno if they still do so but Bear Arms in Scottsdale used to pull this crap regarding firearm transfers where they would log in your gun when they got around to it (and charge you a transfer fee) but if you wanted them to expedite logging that firearm in their books they’d do so for an additional fee (IIRC it was $20.00 or $30.00). More BS. FWIW, generally speaking the bigger the store, the longer it takes for them to log incoming guns.

Now, IF “universal background” checks ever becomes law the gunshop owners and FFL holders will privately have great big grins on their faces cuz’ they’ll make a boat load of money on private sales (which won’t be “private” any more). Oh they’ll gnash their teeth and rend their garment’s in public but they’ll be able to set whatever price they want just like they did prior to 1986 with ammo when average Joe’s couldn’t have it delivered to their homes. A dealer in a small town in the middle of nowhere essentially will have a monopoly on the FFL transfer market. Of course the more transfers these dealers do the greater chance they’ll have to make mistakes on those 4473’s and then what’ll happen is………

 

[kenpoprofessor]

Unless there was some kind of extraordinary reason (death, illness, some sort of emergency) three days is BS. Yeah, when everyone was freaking out during Covid and the riots three days to log a firearm was understandable-in fact some FFL holders literally stopped doing transfers, but now? Gimme a break. I dunno if they still do so but Bear Arms in Scottsdale used to pull this crap regarding firearm transfers where they would log in your gun when they got around to it (and charge you a transfer fee) but if you wanted them to expedite logging that firearm in their books they’d do so for an additional fee (IIRC it was $20.00 or $30.00). More BS. FWIW, generally speaking the bigger the store, the longer it takes for them to log incoming guns.

Now, IF “universal background” checks ever becomes law the gunshop owners and FFL holders will privately have great big grins on their faces cuz’ they’ll make a boat load of money on private sales (which won’t be “private” any more). Oh they’ll gnash their teeth and rend their garment’s in public but they’ll be able to set whatever price they want just like they did prior to 1986 with ammo when average Joe’s couldn’t have it delivered to their homes. A dealer in a small town in the middle of nowhere essentially will have a monopoly on the FFL transfer market. Of course the more transfers these dealers do the greater chance they’ll have to make mistakes on those 4473’s and then what’ll happen is………

My gawd, that is the first rational and intelligent post I've seen from you, yea you.

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

 

[Gunslinger808]

A dealer in a small town in the middle of nowhere essentially will have a monopoly on the FFL transfer market.

I pretty much do, I charge $20 for a transfer, $15 if they have a CCW, and get their firearm to them the same day.
There is no reason it should take three or more days to get a firearm into the books.
One thing I warn people about is I’ve had more than a few just have a firearm shipped to me without checking the transfer fee, they have no idea that some shady f*** could hold it ransom at that point for an exorbitant fee.
Hey, it’s beer drinking money!

 

[That Guy]

Unless there was some kind of extraordinary reason (death, illness, some sort of emergency) three days is BS. Yeah, when everyone was freaking out during Covid and the riots three days to log a firearm was understandable-in fact some FFL holders literally stopped doing transfers, but now? Gimme a break. I dunno if they still do so but Bear Arms in Scottsdale used to pull this crap regarding firearm transfers where they would log in your gun when they got around to it (and charge you a transfer fee) but if you wanted them to expedite logging that firearm in their books they’d do so for an additional fee (IIRC it was $20.00 or $30.00). More BS. FWIW, generally speaking the bigger the store, the longer it takes for them to log incoming guns.

Now, IF “universal background” checks ever becomes law the gunshop owners and FFL holders will privately have great big grins on their faces cuz’ they’ll make a boat load of money on private sales (which won’t be “private” any more). Oh they’ll gnash their teeth and rend their garment’s in public but they’ll be able to set whatever price they want just like they did prior to 1986 with ammo when average Joe’s couldn’t have it delivered to their homes. A dealer in a small town in the middle of nowhere essentially will have a monopoly on the FFL transfer market. Of course the more transfers these dealers do the greater chance they’ll have to make mistakes on those 4473’s and then what’ll happen is………

My gawd, that is the first rational and intelligent post I've seen from you, yea you.

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

Well, if you opine “that is the first rational and intelligent post I've seen from you, yea you” then I must be utterly incorrect and completely misguided.

 

[pneuby]

"Nutha reminder that Mo Money does free transfers for vets, also. Showing my VA Health card has been sufficient.