Iran, Pull The Trigger?

[Pale Rider]

Part of me says wipe them off the face of the earth, but you know things could spiral out of control and turn the middle east into a bigger shithole. Oil prices would skyrocket too. 40 years of bullshit from those assholes, it sure gets old. You just know they're going to keep doing shiat and they'll end up getting nukes not too long from now. Sending them pallets of cash with the lame agreement made, had to be one of the dumbest bunch of shiat Obunghole did (and he did a lot of dumb shiat). It almost started last night, we'll see what Trump has planned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BqKg8zNvSY

 

[smithers599]

...but you know things could spiral out of control ...

Agreed. You don't pull the trigger until you have no other option.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtIYkoL4P48

 

[Hunter]

Pale Rider, you know the Iranians are over in there country right now saying "we've been putting up with shit from the American's for 70 years, let's wipe them out"

Let me ask, how many times in the last 70 years has the Iranian government overthrown an elected US president and installed a dictatorship in its place? How many decades of Iranian government sanctions have stifled the US economy? How many Iranian government military bases in circle the US? How many wars has Iran started on our borders with Canada and Mexico? How many times has the Iranian government seized American assets abroad? How many Iranian spy planes invade our air space daily?

The truth be told, Iran is only a tool the US government uses when it wants you to look somewhere else. The US government created the problems over there to keep tax dollars flowing to "defence"

The sad part of Iran is, the bulk of the Iranian population is very young and likes western culture, wants to be modern and would likely overthrow the current regime were in not for the US government.

Note I use the word government a lot. Were it not for our government and there's, you wouldn't give Iran a second thought. All governments lie to keep the tax dollars flowing, the people afraid and themselves in power. If you start with that thought as your default position, you are always more right than wrong.

And if you decide you really do want to wipe them out based on what your government says they did, are trying to do, or may someday do, I ask you use your money, your guns, and your life to do it.

 

[smithers599]

Agreed that much of the Iranian public would prefer living in freedom than in despotism. The woman who cut my hair at Great Clips yesterday came here from Iran, and is damn glad to be here. (Yes, there really are Muslims who have no interest in beheading infidels. Some of them are my friends. Two of them are coming over to the house tomorrow morning for coffee and strawberry scones.)
However, the government is indeed a bunch of crazy dangerous MFers, who teach school children to chant "Death to America." (Not a lot of American children chanting "Death to Iran.") In a ground war, Iran's army would crumble quickly -- their hearts are not in it. However, if those psycho MFers who constitute the Iranian government ever get their hands on nukes, they absolutely will use them.
That is a constant recurring problem: good people headed by bad government. Think Stalin, Idi Amin, Pol Pot. How do you fight a "country" without killing good people who are victims of the leadership? Khameini and Rouhani are not nice decent guys, just minding their own business, who are being picked on by the US. Tyrants always say that. (Hugo Chavez was a victim of American imperialism! But for those damn Americans, Venezuela would have a thriving economy!)

Still, the nature of war is that a lot of good people are going to get killed, on both sides, so you avoid it unless you have no alternative. If America was really an imperialist country, and if Trump was really a warmonger, Iran would have been a glass parking lot a long time ago.

 

[Crippledtrigger]

We dont have to try hard.

Iran is doing this because they, the rulers, are holding on by their fingernails due to just a couple years of sanctions. Trump needs to ratchet up what options he has left. They will collapse.

Trumps right on proportionality. If they shot down manned assets the destroy an and all ground to air defences within in shooting distance to the international airspace. It could be done in a couple nights with limited manned aircraft in danger. No troops on the ground needed. If they fire on a ship then do the same thing to all naval assets in the area.

There doesn't need to be a war. Infact there shouldn't be one boot on the ground In Iran. If the locals want to do that then god bless.

An observation no one is talking about. Its interesting that Iran was allowed to refine uranium and keep its infrastructure to do so with the Obama deal. What a phucking joke. It's also interesting that they have so much so fast, almost like they never stopped. That may need to be dealt with at some point. If the norks have nukes then you are ignorant to think Iran doesn't with their relationship.

 

[Pale Rider]

The sick joke in all this is Trump having to come in a clean up the mess that Obunghole left for us. That "treaty" or agreement since it wasn't ratified had no way of verifying that the Iranians would live up to the uranium enrichment agreement. There's no doubt they've been enriching at higher levels than what they agreed to. At some point this thing will have to be dealt with because they will use proxies and terrorist organizations to use nukes if they get them. The Iranian leaders are absolutely friggin nuts. There's just no negotiating with them at this point. I know all about our sins of the past with regard to Iran, but that doesn't change where we are today; and it looks to me like this thing will eventually escalate to all out war with them (probably sooner than later). People better get the stomach for what's coming, and I agree that boots on the ground in Iran is a non starter. If there's any brains in the pentagon it will be nothing but missiles and bombing to destroy all military assets they have, which will be expensive and take awhile. I will really be surprised if something doesn't trigger it at this point.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-25/trump-slams-irans-ignorant-insulting-statement-warns-any-further-attacks-will-mean

 

[338lapua]

We dont have to try hard.

Iran is doing this because they, the rulers, are holding on by their fingernails due to just a couple years of sanctions. Trump needs to ratchet up what options he has left. They will collapse.

Trumps right on proportionality. If they shot down manned assets the destroy an and all ground to air defences within in shooting distance to the international airspace. It could be done in a couple nights with limited manned aircraft in danger. No troops on the ground needed. If they fire on a ship then do the same thing to all naval assets in the area.

There doesn't need to be a war. Infact there shouldn't be one boot on the ground In Iran. If the locals want to do that then god bless.

An observation no one is talking about. Its interesting that Iran was allowed to refine uranium and keep its infrastructure to do so with the Obama deal. What a phucking joke. It's also interesting that they have so much so fast, almost like they never stopped. That may need to be dealt with at some point. If the norks have nukes then you are ignorant to think Iran doesn't with their relationship.

Cheney sold them the damn centrifuges. That is how f***ed up this country is that our own VP sold them gas centrifuges they needed to enrich uranium.

 

[338lapua]

The sick joke in all this is Trump having to come in a clean up the mess that Obunghole left for us. That "treaty" or agreement since it wasn't ratified had no way of verifying that the Iranians would live up to the uranium enrichment agreement. There's no doubt they've been enriching at higher levels than what they agreed to. At some point this thing will have to be dealt with because they will use proxies and terrorist organizations to use nukes if they get them. The Iranian leaders are absolutely friggin nuts. There's just no negotiating with them at this point. I know all about our sins of the past with regard to Iran, but that doesn't change where we are today; and it looks to me like this thing will eventually escalate to all out war with them (probably sooner than later). People better get the stomach for what's coming, and I agree that boots on the ground in Iran is a non starter. If there's any brains in the pentagon it will be nothing but missiles and bombing to destroy all military assets they have, which will be expensive and take awhile. I will really be surprised if something doesn't trigger it at this point.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-25/trump-slams-irans-ignorant-insulting-statement-warns-any-further-attacks-will-mean

Gee I wonder the uranium one uranium went. Probably not to Syria where it was being enriched for Iran and other terrorist states, nah that couldn't be.

 

[338lapua]

We dont have to try hard.

Iran is doing this because they, the rulers, are holding on by their fingernails due to just a couple years of sanctions. Trump needs to ratchet up what options he has left. They will collapse.

Trumps right on proportionality. If they shot down manned assets the destroy an and all ground to air defences within in shooting distance to the international airspace. It could be done in a couple nights with limited manned aircraft in danger. No troops on the ground needed. If they fire on a ship then do the same thing to all naval assets in the area.

There doesn't need to be a war. Infact there shouldn't be one boot on the ground In Iran. If the locals want to do that then god bless.

An observation no one is talking about. Its interesting that Iran was allowed to refine uranium and keep its infrastructure to do so with the Obama deal. What a phucking joke. It's also interesting that they have so much so fast, almost like they never stopped. That may need to be dealt with at some point. If the norks have nukes then you are ignorant to think Iran doesn't with their relationship.

US has controlled North Korea for many years. Same for Iran. We need our boogey men so we can get these massive defense budgets approved for fear of them attacking us. I will say we are in more danger of Israel nuking us so we will deal with their enemies. People have no clue how bad shit really is and how badly we have been lied to for a long f***ing time.

 

[Boriqua]

Yes, No and maybe.

No
I am tired of these strategic wars that the US has gotten stuck in since the beginning of Vietnam. What an absolute waste of money, resources and humans. We have been mucking around in the middle east for what .. over 10 years now. For what ??

Always the threat of cutting social security or a dozen other pet projects that helps American People in America, cant fund a wall when whole armies worth of people are literally marching across the continent and walking across the border but .. what have we spent for Iraq and Afghanistan. Do you really think that there will never be another terrorist attack on US soil because of the Billions of dollars and the injury and death of tens of thousands of Americans in the middle east. Nah. You just cant stop terrorism that way.

I also read in several reputable places that we brought to bear new military strategies when we whole sale marched across Iraq using the latest and greatest technology and GPS systems ... you know who was watching and taking copious notes. The Russians and Chinese. Every time we make a new move their commanders and intelligence people are there with notebooks in hand. I say we stop showing our panties.

The entire area is a powder keg and I think if its about being good neighbors .. fuk em let the Saudis and Israelis handle it. The Nuke genie has long been out of the bottle. Spend the money you would spend fighting there and then cleaning up the mess on new technologies to make their nukes a non threat.

I like bonfire parties as much as the next guy .. I hate waking up and seeing the mess we all have to clean up afterwards. Still have guys walking the streets in Afghanistan and Iraq .. stupid... but we made the mess.

Yes
If we are done messing around and are done with being the worlds policemen and want to embrace imperialism .. Screw it I am all in. I am old and fat now and many years since basic but I will come along just to be a bullet stop.

Go there .. subjugate the people, rape the livestock, kill all the mullahs and make gas 15 cents a gallon. Bring home every treasure and make it America East. War is nasty horrible business. Don't enter into it unless you are prepared to make it as nasty and as horrible as possible and come home with the spoils. Make a new American empire across the globe.... or dont go.

Maybe ... limited
As was posted above .. I too have met with and had as close family friends coming up people from Iran. They were decent good people. One was in residency to become an MD and always looked after my brothers and I when we got sick since my own family was so broke. Stoic but good hearted and generous.

While I blame the dissolution of a strong Judeo Christian American Base understanding for much of today's woes especially among the younger people .. truth is Religion unchecked can breed fanaticism. The mullahs will not hesitate to use any device they can get their hands on to retain power in the Glory of whomever .. mostly themselves. It does seem a shame to bring American Might down on the millions of Iranians who are going about their business when they themselves would love to see the establishment changed. I think its a great thing to receive some type of religious upbringing and the tenets of most religions are a good blueprint for living a life as a decent human but theocracies in every flavor have a history of turning to shit.

 

[Pale Rider]

It's heating up again, hold onto your butts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeUvp6-xSx0

 

[Doc Holliday]

It's heating up again, hold onto your butts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeUvp6-xSx0

Co-sponsored by the Dems and the Clinton Foundation, in an attempt to drive up oil prices and dampen the robust Trump economy, just in time for the next election.

 

[Pale Rider]

Yep, gas prices are already going up. A station near my house raised it a dime from this morning.

 

[Crippledtrigger]

Yep, gas prices are already going up. A station near my house raised it a dime from this morning.

You do know that gas prices will not go anywhere but up with an Iran invasion?

 

[smithers599]

Saudi Arabia is only our "friend" in the sense that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Iran is a Dark Ages Shia Muslim tyranny. Saudi Arabia is a Dark Ages Sunni Muslim tyranny. They are mortal enemies who hate each other's guts, but they are both unfree countries that oppress and brutalize the people.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/saudi-arabia-executes-134-barbaric-20074793.amp

We have given the Saudis trillions of dollars in materiel and training. They have American planes and American-trained pilots. They have American weapons. If they want to retaliate against their enemies, I'm happy for us to supply the ammunition, but not one American life.

 

[Pale Rider]

Yep, gas prices are already going up. A station near my house raised it a dime from this morning.

You do know that gas prices will not go anywhere but up with an Iran invasion?

Invasion?, that's the last thing we should do. smithers is right, let the Saudis attack them back. They were the ones that were attacked by the Shia Mussheads. It's high time for other countries to protect themselves, instead of looking to spill our blood every time there's a problem.

 

[Doc Holliday]

If gas prices jump, is it because of the bombing or is it because of the big oil companies, doing it because they know we're used to it? All this talk of 'oil independence', why, you would think gas prices wouldn't rise at all. :think:

As far as retaliation, let the Saudis do it. Didn't we just sell them billions of $$$ of weapons?

 

[Crippledtrigger]

Yep, gas prices are already going up. A station near my house raised it a dime from this morning.

You do know that gas prices will not go anywhere but up with an Iran invasion?

Invasion?, that's the last thing we should do. smithers is right, let the Saudis attack them back. They were the ones that were attacked by the Shia Mussheads. It's high time for other countries to protect themselves, instead of looking to spill our blood every time there's a problem.

I couldnt have said it better if I said it myself. And I did say exactly that.

Any middle east war with Iran by any country will raise oil prices. Those bastards will pull the Sadam maneuver and attack anything with a foreign flag and fire on every country they can reach.

We wouldnt need troops to neuter them. Most of their Navy and offensive weapons could be destroyed without troops on the ground. The kingdom of Saud should reasonably be able to do some semblance of the same. They have been buying our sheit and training in our country for decades. The only question will be if they have enough to do the job. Cause neutering Iran wont just be in Iran.

 

[338lapua]

China built the drones used in the attack. Attack them. This is about Trumps trade war with the tonks.

 

[Pale Rider]

It looks like it's about to get very interesting. They finally decided to retaliate for smoking the little terrorist General. Will Trump make them pay hard with massive strikes on their infrastructure and military installations? We'll see very shortly I think.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/missile-strike-reportedly-carried-out-against-us-base-iraq