ID requirement

[Pro2a]

Did the requirement for a private party gun sale/purchase showing proof of state residency go away recently?, Or have I been getting it wrong all along?
I was in a training class the other day discussing private sales with the teacher, and when he said ID wasn’t required in Arizona, I took on the mild debate, and just let him have his way as he seemed awfully sure. After I googled it, I can’t find any law that says here in Arizona, ID is required to sell or buy a firearm.

 

[XJThrottle]

No ID required. Don't think it ever was.

Most people do it just as a CYA to make sure they are an AZ resident. Quick flash, and away ya go.

 

[TheRifleman]

There are some around here that believe state laws can supersede federal law, but 18 USC 922(a)(5)(a) makes it a federal offense for a non-FFL to transfer a firearm to someone who they know or have reasonable cause to believe is a resident of a different state. The exception is a bequest of a firearm.

You're not supposed to have an AZ license without being a resident, so the AZ license is used by private sellers as a proxy for residency. That doesn't stop someone who was once a resident from keeping their AZ license even though they're no longer a resident, but as long they don't show up in a vehicle with CA plates and dig their AZ license it from behind their CA license, you shouldn't have any issues.

 

[shooter444]

I believe the ONLY state requirement for an Az. firearm sale, is that the seller must not KNOWINGLY sell to a prohibited person.

I know of no time in this state when ANY DOCUMENTATION for a firearm sale has ever been REQUIRED,......... EVER.

 

[Ballistic Therapy]

I believe the ONLY state requirement for an Az. firearm sale, is that the seller must not KNOWINGLY sell to a prohibited person.

That pretty much covers it right there.
I never ask for ID. I am no expert on whats real or not.

 

[Ballistic Therapy]

I believe the ONLY state requirement for an Az. firearm sale, is that the seller must not KNOWINGLY sell to a prohibited person.

That pretty much covers it right there.
I never ask for ID. I am no expert on whats real or not.
If I run an add I might put " must be legal to own " but thats about it.

 

[shooter444]

The presumption that a prohibited buyer will present legal identification, makes me giggle.

Or, better yet, sign a Bill of Sale with their real name! :lol:

 

[MTURBO]

So you feel silly now????

 

[shooter444]

So you feel silly now????

Good one!
:clap: :lol: :clap:

 

[Ranger1]

It's really only to make yourself feel good about selling it to someone. As a private citizen of AZ we do not need to keep a book for a one or two sale.

 

[shooter444]

As a private citizen of AZ we do not need to keep a book for any sale.

 

[Desert Rat]

On the few private sales I have been involved with it has just been to show an AZ license to determine if a resident of AZ. No additional info exchanged.

 

[Crippledtrigger]

There is the higher educational opportunity called "Fake IDs for the gun show loophole seller" and the internal ATF handbooks "Are they really from Mexico" and "Staying off of the congressional oversight radar". All valuable resources for sure but my favorite has to be "We dont register shit in AZ" and the sequel "Except for shit with engines motors or hulls and shit that can carry you or shit with engines motors or hulls".

 

[Ranger1]

It really has everything thing to do with your personal feelings here in AZ. No books ,no ID's. Hell the person buying it could turn around and give it to someone else, straw buyer. As long as I feel good about the transaction I don't care.

 

[samnev]

I believe the ONLY state requirement for an Az. firearm sale, is that the seller must not KNOWINGLY sell to a prohibited person.

I know of no time in this state when ANY DOCUMENTATION for a firearm sale has ever been REQUIRED,......... EVER.

I agree with the above post

 

[Flash]

It really has everything thing to do with your personal feelings here in AZ. No books ,no ID's. Hell the person buying it could turn around and give it to someone else, straw buyer. As long as I feel good about the transaction I don't care.

My feelings exactly. As a matter of fact, I did this once. Bought a Sig P238 2 tone from a Guy from Tucson, did the deal in Casa Grande. He hands me the gun, I check it over, decide it's as advertised, hand him the money and handed the gun to Mrs. Flash and said "happy birthday".

Seller never even batted an eye and he shouldn't have. We live in Free America.

 

[deanq]

It really has everything thing to do with your personal feelings here in AZ. No books ,no ID's. Hell the person buying it could turn around and give it to someone else, straw buyer. As long as I feel good about the transaction I don't care.

My feelings exactly. As a matter of fact, I did this once. Bought a Sig P238 2 tone from a Guy from Tucson, did the deal in Casa Grande. He hands me the gun, I check it over, decide it's as advertised, hand him the money and handed the gun to Mrs. Flash and said "happy birthday".

Seller never even batted an eye and he shouldn't have. We live in Free America.

That's because you didn't do anything wrong. You CAN give a firearm as a gift. You CAN purchase it with the intent to be a gift. That is NOT a straw purchase.

 

[knockonit]

Frankly as mentioned its a personal preference on id review, i've gone both ways, as i rarely sell one, can't remember what i did last time around, as usually i'm buying. Hell i have even had multiple purchases from same individual over the years, on the same site, had history and still asked to see ccw or other. matters not to me, figure i'm on all the fracken lists anyway, they;re just looking for a reason to come visit.
Rj

 

[shooter444]

I find it interesting, concerning all the internet talk I have read in the past about odd legal firearm scenarios that some talk concerning sale documentation hasn't evolved as well.

Such as, Using ball/penetrating ammo, instead of the latest, greatest, scientifically correct shallow penetrating hollow point bullet configurations, to prevent through and through bullet/collateral injury to bystanders.

And of course there is the legal firearm scenario made popular in our own state. The possibility of a prosecutor claiming premeditated intent, in a self defense shooting, because the victim loaded and used his own bullets.

I am sure there are a few others, but, my point is this.

Why haven't I read any talk on the internet about a firearm scenario such as,.........

EG,... An aggressive prosecutor claims a firearm seller that requires certain documentation precluding his sale, to validate the buyers legal standing to purchase, has proclaimed/qualified her/himself as an expert in the eye of the law as to the validity of said documents, and therefore, when the documents turn out to be forged/invalid, and the buyer busted for being a prohibited possessor who rolls on the seller for a lesser conviction, the document expert/seller should be charged for an illegal sale, as well?

Any thoughts on that one?

 

[Flash]

It really has everything thing to do with your personal feelings here in AZ. No books ,no ID's. Hell the person buying it could turn around and give it to someone else, straw buyer. As long as I feel good about the transaction I don't care.

My feelings exactly. As a matter of fact, I did this once. Bought a Sig P238 2 tone from a Guy from Tucson, did the deal in Casa Grande. He hands me the gun, I check it over, decide it's as advertised, hand him the money and handed the gun to Mrs. Flash and said "happy birthday".

Seller never even batted an eye and he shouldn't have. We live in Free America.

That's because you didn't do anything wrong. You CAN give a firearm as a gift. You CAN purchase it with the intent to be a gift. That is NOT a straw purchase.

Never said it was.