FFL/ Background Check

[shooter444]

In AZ a seller only commits a crime if they knowingly transfer a firearm to a prohibited possessor.

You don’t have to prove someone isn’t a prohibited possessor before you can transfer a firearm. However, if you believe they are prohibited you shouldn’t be trying to transfer it anyway.

Besides, how many prohibited people lately passed a NICS check and committed horrible crimes? Aurora, Texas church shooting, parkland....

A NICS check doesn’t always mean what you think it means.

Joe_blacke,... you are casting factual pearls of wisdom before a paranoid swine,... you're wasting you time,.... he only lives to be afraid,... he has been programmed well to fall in line like a good little demonscat, and no amount of truth can save him from himself.

 

[toyhunt]

Why does anyone want to sell a gun? Throw it in the safe and forget about it. Give to a family member. You most likely loose money, no matter what. If you must sell do with someone you know. Way too many what ifs in this thread. I came from NJ,never bought a gun there. First few times here,I was very uncomfortable doing a background check.It makes you feel like you are a criminal. There is no reason for a back ground check. All mass shooters passed a background check, a few got them from someone that did.

 

[Dog Soldier]

The only way National BG can work is to have National Gun Registration. The tracing of a guns history is important to those that want the National BG.

 

[Vinnie B]

I personally would not purchase this way as it is my choice just as it's the sellers choice to want it. But if we are going to be paranoid, how do you sell a car? Do you make sure the person has a "valid DL" not suspended? Do they have a DUI and are trying to bypass an ignition interlock? Do you give them the notarized title or go to DMV with them to make sure it gets put in there name? In theory they could go do a drive by or rob a bank the minute they drive away and the SWAT team will be breaking your door down. With as many laws that are on the books, known or unknown to most people. I bet the majority of us are actually felons!!!!!

 

[knockonit]

lol, lotsa good stuff here, made my tuesday
Rj

 

[YNOTAZ]

This is funnier than shait. I recall a thread where someone said they wanted to have as bill of sale for a private transaction and they were electronically tarred and feathered.

Now we're discussing Guberment approval before you do a private sale. Now I understand how our rights are being compromised away, for the good of the children of course.

 

[Steve_In_29]

The BAD is that they move here and vote in our elections

I'm going out on a limb here but I would venture those people in this thread promoting using an FFL for a private sale are ARIZONA BORN residents.

It's not always about CA people.

Moved here in 1991. I'm conservative. I don't see a problem with someone having a background check to buy a firearm. Just get a CCW and the form isn't even called in. Simple.....

Moved to AZ from where?

Sale isn't called in but the transaction is now on paper. Paper that can be seized by the .gov if they ever so desire.

Sorry but promoting the liberals agenda makes you NOT as "conservative" as you say you are.

 

[YNOTAZ]

Just for clarification. Called in or not makes little difference.

All FFLs quit at some time or die. Their "book" containing all transfers and which are audited occasionally by the ATF is turned over to the ATF, who diligently scans the book and stores it electronically.

If an FFL is required to check private sales they will have to go in the "book" to protect him from liability and the "book" will be turned over to ATF.

 

[shooter444]

The only way National BG can work is to have National Gun Registration. The tracing of a guns history is important to those that want the National BG.

History has documented,...GUN REGISTRATION leads to GUN CONFISCATION which leads to ENSLAVEMENT and, or, GENOCIDE

 

[Steve_In_29]

What about the fact that you sold a prohibited possessor and he committed a crime with it? You could have prevented that crime by requiring a 4473.

I'm not saying that you must do it. I do it for my own peace of mind.

Your logic is flawed.

Freedom is too scary for some people. It seems being a sheep suits them better.

 

[Java Junkie]

I know a guy that inherited a bunch of guns. He's not into guns (fly fishing is his thing). He has gone the route of consigning the guns at a dealer and is getting a decent price for them. He's in no hurry to get rid of them. Personally I enjoy buying, selling and trading 2A items without the FFL hassle. Bringing them into transactions voluntarily doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[shooter444]

I know a guy that inherited a bunch of guns. He's not into guns (fly fishing is his thing). He has gone the route of consigning the guns at a dealer and is getting a decent price for them. He's in no hurry to get rid of them. Personally I enjoy buying, selling and trading 2A items without the FFL hassle. Bringing them into transactions voluntarily doesn't make any sense to me.

Bringing them into transactions, voluntarily, only makes sense to a "subject" type ( aka not a freeman ) sheep mentality programmed demonscat individuals, who think that licking the boot heels of our Government employees demanding dominance over those citizens that entrusted them with the authority they have perverted into tyrannical rule,... by crawling on their knees to present private/personal transactions, for their approval!!!

And, then, they have the balls to try and promote such actions of servitude as a positive,... an action they believe is a free pass to protection from the very same government body they fear so much!!!

The absolute epitome example of Stockholm Syndrome gone amok!!!

 

[AZ Husker]

Whew! Says it like he means it.

 

[Ballistic Therapy]

Take advantage of it for now.
It won't be long before it is illegal.
I am sure after they pass the background check law they will then go after the home FFL's.
Then the big FFL's will jack up the price on background checks and make lot's of money.

 

[Ranger1]

You know that will be the way of the future if these Dems get their way. Not just that but I believe Washington state says now that if someone steals your weapon and commits a crime with it they will go after the person they stole it from. They want to shut down ownership of weapons all together. It doesn't matter if they used dynamite, back hoe, cutting torch, etc to get to your guns. You are at fault. Now that's coming to your state soon.

 

[shooter444]

Historically, human beings of the past, living under the tyranny of a dictator,... with NO CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTIONS OF THEIR NATURAL RIGHTS,... have consistently reacted once their limits were reached.

It never worked out well for the dictators,... NEVER!!!

I believe the same is inevitable for the USA,... as, history, ALWAYS REPEATS ITSELF!!!

I don't care what precautions the One World Government takes to insure that they, and their agenda, survive,... they will fail, as history has proven, time and time again.

Bottom line,.. is the time line,... which is anyone's guess, imo.

 

[RandyTF]

You know that will be the way of the future if these Dems get their way. Not just that but I believe Washington state says now that if someone steals your weapon and commits a crime with it they will go after the person they stole it from. They want to shut down ownership of weapons all together. It doesn't matter if they used dynamite, back hoe, cutting torch, etc to get to your guns. You are at fault. Now that's coming to your state soon.

Friend of mine lives in Washington. He told me just yesterday that the law pushed by Seattle liberals states that authorities now can come to anyone's house to verify that guns are stored in an approved gun safe. Sherrif's Association refuses to go door to door to enforce the law. Instead, if your gun is stolen due to not being locked up, you can be held liable if someone uses the gun violently.

As unreasonable as that is, it is still not "if they used dynamite, back hoe, cutting torch, etc to get to your guns."

 

[Ranger1]

I was told it doesn't matter how they got your gun locked up or not they got it. After the fact it's hard to show ya it was in my safe. Once they have it ,they have it. You are at fault in their eyes. But that's a argument you will be having in court in front of a jury. Hope it goes in your favor.

 

[62Grains]

Its a good way to slowly let our rights erode. Guns are tools, treat em as such. If Im selling a ratchet, Im not going to head down to the local shop to make sure hes ok to possess it. A simple question of whether he is a prohibited possessor and an Arizona resident is more than sufficient.

 

[RandyTF]

I was told it doesn't matter how they got your gun locked up or not they got it. After the fact it's hard to show ya it was in my safe. Once they have it ,they have it. You are at fault in their eyes. But that's a argument you will be having in court in front of a jury. Hope it goes in your favor.

Hey, I didn't defend the law. Just clarifying what the state of Washington says.

Besides, if someone did break into a person's gun safe and stole one or more guns, don't you think they would report that? A police report saying the safe was broken into and what was stolen would seem a decent defense especially if the report was dated prior to any crime committed with the gun(s). Not that I would like to find myself in that position nor would I find myself living in Washington state in the first place.