FFL/ Background Check

[Steve_In_29]

I do all my personal sales at AJI for this reason. If someone is not a prohibited possessor, then they don't object.

And since you have nothing to hide I'm sure by the same token that you wouldn't mind law enforcement randomly stopping by your house to check that your guns are all accounted for right?

 

[Suck My Glock]

judgy judgy judgy arent we. The guy didnt come on and say " I think all private transactions should have to go through an FFL" He didnt say .. "I think it should be law that all private transactions go through an FFL"

He asked a GUN community if they knew anyone who provided a particular service. All this bullshit about freedom and infringement in this thread .. I guess only pertains to select individuals that follow the herd.

I am decidedly a freedom/ libertarian kind of guy. If the OP is more comfortable with doing his transaction through an FFL and the buyer is on board .. fugin more power to him. That is called Freedom. If you don't like the conditions of his sale don't buy from him .. that is your freedom.

To insist that your way is the only right way when we still live in a state that wonderfully still offers you a choice .. well .. sorry but that doesn't sound very freedom minded.

As far as looking sketchy .. there are only several thousand evil doers that neighbors would swear were the most upstanding citizens they ever met including that freak who raped the girl in Hacienda. I used to ride the Subway and look at all the "put together" people and wonder who was wearing a chicken costume when they fuk.

I dont ask people that I sell to to go through an FFL but if the OP wants to .. more power to him. If he had something I just had to have and he ate the FFL cost .. it wouldn't stop me from buying from him.
Personal choice!

At the same time if AZ tried to make it law .. I would fight it tooth and nail and donate where appropriate. Sh*t I dont like that I have to register my vehicles!!

To the OP... I think most of the home ffl's will do it but you already have one FFL here that says he will and someone vouched for AJI. I know that guns 2 ammo will do it too.

He is certainly free to act according to his principles,...as are we to shame and make fun of him.

 

[shooter444]

There is no Arizona law prohibiting a private sale to an unknown felon/possessor,... period!!!

People create all kinds of scenarios to fear,... nothing can help them, imo.

 

[Ranger1]

Any FFLs in N/W Phx. that will do the Background Check for Private Sales?

You know what , good for you. To everyone else on here he just wanted to know who would do the back ground check. It's up to the person buying his gun if they want to do it and pay for it. If they do it they payed a little more who cares.

 

[shooter444]

Any FFLs in N/W Phx. that will do the Background Check for Private Sales?

You know what , good for you. To everyone else on here he just wanted to know who would do the back ground check. It's up to the person buying his gun if they want to do it and pay for it. If they do it they payed a little more who cares.

Yup, you are correct,... and it is up to others to make sure that the ACTUAL LAW is promoted,... rather than anti constitutional mind set bullshit, coming into this state!!!

 

[AZ Husker]

If I wanted my name on a 4473 I'd most likely order online. Privacy is the key for person to person sales for me.

 

[Steve_In_29]

I feel that any one that wants to can, they can also feel free to move back to Kommiefornia. For that is the life style to "feel safe in". I like the one to feel "free in"

The BAD is that they move here and vote in our elections

I'm going out on a limb here but I would venture those people in this thread promoting using an FFL for a private sale are ARIZONA BORN residents.

It's not always about CA people.

 

[A_C Guy]

I do all my personal sales at AJI for this reason. If someone is not a prohibited possessor, then they don't object.

And since you have nothing to hide I'm sure by the same token that you wouldn't mind law enforcement randomly stopping by your house to check that your guns are all accounted for right?

That's not even close to being the same thing. I never said that everyone should go through an FFL. I said that I do it because not everyone on this site is a legal possessor. If you don't want to complete the 4473, then don't buy any of my firearms. That's what is great about free enterprise. I can require a 4473 and you can refuse. No problem, I'll sell it to someone else.

 

[A_C Guy]

I feel that any one that wants to can, they can also feel free to move back to Kommiefornia. For that is the life style to "feel safe in". I like the one to feel "free in"

The BAD is that they move here and vote in our elections

I'm going out on a limb here but I would venture those people in this thread promoting using an FFL for a private sale are ARIZONA BORN residents.

It's not always about CA people.

Moved here in 1991. I'm conservative. I don't see a problem with someone having a background check to buy a firearm. Just get a CCW and the form isn't even called in. Simple.....

 

[A_C Guy]

I do it for $20. A lot of sellers are afraid to sell to a prohibited person. Transferring it through our books with a background check releases their liability.

I do all my personal sales at AJI for this reason. If someone is not a prohibited possessor, then they don't object.

In today's society, it is good protection against lawsuits, not to mention the potential legal troubles if the guy was prohibited and you were charged with a straw purchase or similar.

Life's too short to be a member of the "what if?" brigade. You can't live in fear.

I don't live in fear.
Life is too short to waste time fighting the government if I don't transfer through an FFL and the buyer is prohibited and the ATF thinks I did something wrong. It's cheap insurance for me.

 

[A_C Guy]

I understand the paranoia of possibly selling to a prohibited possessor but, look at it the way law enforcement has to look at it. Private gun sales don't legally have to go through background checks in Arizona so, if a gun shows up in a crime that you once owned, it gets real tough to prove that you intentionally sold it to a criminal. Even more difficult to connect you with the crime itself without other additional evidence. Yes, the cops will come ask you some questions but, if you don't have a criminal record and you explain how the sale of the gun went down, there is little in the way of evidence that you did anything wrong. It does not automatically involve an arrest.

What about the fact that you sold a prohibited possessor and he committed a crime with it? You could have prevented that crime by requiring a 4473.

I'm not saying that you must do it. I do it for my own peace of mind.

 

[A_C Guy]

Too bad so many guys here can't see there is always room for opposing views on a topic. Immature keyboard jockeys resorting to name calling and character insults. What a shame.
:violin:

 

[Mauser98]

I do all my personal sales at AJI for this reason. If someone is not a prohibited possessor, then they don't object.

In today's society, it is good protection against lawsuits, not to mention the potential legal troubles if the guy was prohibited and you were charged with a straw purchase or similar.

Life's too short to be a member of the "what if?" brigade. You can't live in fear.

I don't live in fear.
Life is too short to waste time fighting the government if I don't transfer through an FFL and the buyer is prohibited and the ATF thinks I did something wrong. It's cheap insurance for me.

I don't know anyone that's happened to. I don't even know anyone who knows anyone that's happened to. Personally I just check for age and AZ residency.

 

[Mauser98]

What if someone breaks into your house and steals your guns and commits a crime and the cops think you did it? Melting down your firearms is the only way to be sure.

 

[shooter444]

That's not even close to being the same thing. I never said that everyone should go through an FFL. I said that I do it because not everyone on this site is a legal possessor. If you don't want to complete the 4473, then don't buy any of my firearms. That's what is great about free enterprise. I can require a 4473 and you can refuse. No problem, I'll sell it to someone else.

Hmmm,... now, would you have any FACTS to back up that statement,.. or, are you just throwing out one of those divisional demonscat proclamations without verification, for effect?

 

[shooter444]

Too bad so many guys here can't see there is always room for opposing views on a topic. Immature keyboard jockeys resorting to name calling and character insults. What a shame.
:violin:

Too bad YOU can't deal with opposing opinions,... demonscats always like to accuse conservatives of exactly what they are doing,... got'ta luv it!!!

 

[shooter444]

I don't live in fear.
Life is too short to waste time fighting the government if I don't transfer through an FFL and the buyer is prohibited and the ATF thinks I did something wrong. It's cheap insurance for me.

Life is too short to deal with paranoids like you! You are one of the most fear driven internet freaks I have ever read!

You have never fought with the government, and you wouldn't know how if someone wrote a blow by blow play description on your ass for reference!

ATF wouldn't give a rats ass to know anything about your sorry paranoid ass,... grow up,... you live in a free sate now, boy,... become a man and stop with all the hallucinated fear games!

 

[Joe_Blacke]

In AZ a seller only commits a crime if they knowingly transfer a firearm to a prohibited possessor.

You don’t have to prove someone isn’t a prohibited possessor before you can transfer a firearm. However, if you believe they are prohibited you shouldn’t be trying to transfer it anyway.

Besides, how many prohibited people lately passed a NICS check and committed horrible crimes? Aurora, Texas church shooting, parkland....

A NICS check doesn’t always mean what you think it means.

 

[shooter444]

What about the fact that you sold a prohibited possessor and he committed a crime with it? You could have prevented that crime by requiring a 4473.

I'm not saying that you must do it. I do it for my own peace of mind.

You will never have a moment of peace of mind,... you live for all the contrived bullshit you can think up. We have laws in Arizona to protect the innocent, which is how even an idiot like you is classified, until proven guilty.

Let me, enlighten you to a well known fact, in the real world, idiot,... criminals buy on the black market, so, spew all your pious bullshit about stopping crime you want,... it is all nothing but a product of your twisted paranoid mind!

Do the citizenry of the state of Arizona a favor and go back to which ever demonscat state you came from,... please!

 

[redj]

A background check doesn't necessarily mean they are not a felon.
It just means they haven't been caught yet.