Bill to Remove Marijuana Question from ATF Gun Form

[A_C Guy]

Using S-M-G's logic, then we shouldn't have laws prohibiting threatening to shoot a person or firing a warning shot at a person who cuts you off in traffic; because no crime has yet been committed in his opinion. A civil society makes laws (sometimes flawed laws) to prevent people from infringing on other people's rights. Driving drunk can most likely infringe on another person's right to live. Driving stoned can likely infringe on another person's right to live. Therefore, we have laws against such activities to prevent innocent people from dying.
Using his logic, we shouldn't have speed limits either. Everyone drive as fast as they want, even if it is likely to cause injury or death to another person.

That "prior restraint" bit is pretty lame. So you are saying no laws until someone actually gets hurt or dies? In each of the examples mentioned by me and you, people did already die. i.e. Hence the more strict DUI laws compared to the laws of the 80's.

Without your so called "prior restraints", you can't hammer the &!$% out of them because there is no law against whatever it is they did to harm you.

 

[shooter444]

Hmmm , seems some folk just can't seem to wrap their brain around the concept of INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!!!

A Nation can have all the "LAWS" on the books they wish,... laws for every societal protection they wish,... but,... what society can not do,... is pass legislation infringing on a person's human Rights without due process and stated cause,... BEFORE an illegal act is committed!

Government actions, as such, are an infringement on every citizens Natural Human Rights!

Passing legislation aimed at punishing, or infringing on a citizen's Human Rights BEFORE an illegal act is committed, based solely on an assumption that an illegal act will be perpetrated in the future, is basic Fascism 101 !!!

Now,... as to the statement "...guarantee of MY RIGHT of LIFE LIBERTY and the PURSUIT of HAPPINESS."

THERE IS NO SUCH GOVERNMENT GUARANTEE !!!

That is unless someone is REDEFINING the word, to suit their need,...
guar·an·tee
/ˌɡerənˈtē/Submit
noun
1.
a formal promise or assurance (typically in writing) that certain conditions will be fulfilled, especially that a product will be repaired or replaced if not of a specified quality and durability.

There is no Government GUARANTEE of HUMAN RIGHTS in the USA.

WHY?

Because the GOVERMENT can not,... guar·an·tee,... that which it did not legislate, and which it has no authority over!

Now,... our Government has been challenged to PROTECT our Inalienable Natural Human Rights, Endowed upon ALL by their creator,... by including the Bill of Rights as the first ten amendments of the Constitution,... BUT,... these are PROTECTIONS legislated to RESTRAIN the GOVERNMENT from INFRINGEMENT upon it's citizens Human Rights,... not a guar·an·tee of Human Rights, per se !!!

The only guar·an·tee to our Human Rights, can only be given by the originator of said Human Rights,... and, I wish all the best, to anyone attempting to solidify such a guar·an·tee by their creator, who endowed them upon us, in the first place!!!

WORDS HAVE POWER!

If one wishes to have a guar·an·tee for one's Human Rights, one need only accept that they are inalienably within you, and YOU are the absolute first and last line of protection of said Rights,... not society,... and not Government,... as it should be!!!

 

[Suck My Glock]

And please AC Guy, don't misinterpret my silence as a win. Relatives in town, so I'm too busy to continue this until next week.

 

[A_C Guy]

And please AC Guy, don't misinterpret my silence as a win. Relatives in town, so I'm too busy to continue this until next week.

No, not a win. You, shooter444, and others of similar mindset will always see every law as an infringement on your rights. It is narcissistic to believe that your personal freedom to do as you please trumps everyone else's right to live without concern for their own safety due to your negligence and self centeredness.

Smoking pot puts other people at risk. The car accident rate has gone up significantly in every state after legalization. Just as driving drunk is a danger to society, so is MMJ.

You want to ignore those truths and facts, that is your choice. You want to use some misguided logic and claim it infringes on your inalienable rights, go ahead.

Have a Happy Thanksgiving.

Thank God that we live in a country more free and less restrictive than any other on earth.

 

[Harrier]

^^^ This

 

[338lapua]

And please AC Guy, don't misinterpret my silence as a win. Relatives in town, so I'm too busy to continue this until next week.

No, not a win. You, shooter444, and others of similar mindset will always see every law as an infringement on your rights. It is narcissistic to believe that your personal freedom to do as you please trumps everyone else's right to live without concern for their own safety due to your negligence and self centeredness.

Smoking pot puts other people at risk. The car accident rate has gone up significantly in every state after legalization. Just as driving drunk is a danger to society, so is MMJ.

You want to ignore those truths and facts, that is your choice. You want to use some misguided logic and claim it infringes on your inalienable rights, go ahead.

Have a Happy Thanksgiving.

Thank God that we live in a country more free and less restrictive than any other on earth.

Then by your logic semi autos should be illegal because it makes it easier to shoot people and all alcohol should be banned it leads to domestic violence, traffic accidents as well. Lets at least get alcohol banned as we could be cleaning our gun when drunk and shoot someone. Everything can be abused but I am sick of the option for cancer patients who are gun owners not being allowed.

 

[tobylazur]

I think it's good they take the question off the form. I personally don't see dope as any worse than alcohol. It can be abused or enjoyed recreationally just the same drinking can.

I think a lot of people are taking things way worse, but some how it's alright because a doctor prescribed it.

 

[redj]

Then by your logic semi autos should be illegal because it makes it easier to shoot people and all alcohol should be banned it leads to domestic violence, traffic accidents as well. Lets at least get alcohol banned as we could be cleaning our gun when drunk and shoot someone. Everything can be abused but I am sick of the option for cancer patients who are gun owners not being allowed.

According to your very own statement alcohol apparently does lead to domestic violence.
After all you are the one that said you have at least 10 friends that have beat their wives after drinking alcohol. Then again you do like to tell stories.

 

[shooter444]

Hmmm,... some seem to think that LAWS, or REGULATIONS, or a BAN, or PROHIBITION,... will prevent all these horrible outcomes they present in support of their argument.

Fools,... every one!

 

[needsmostuff]

Seems to me that to promote passing laws restricting the masses , due to the possible or even likely actions of a few is exactly how the gun ban hoplophobia gains traction.
If some one has legal weed and breaks a law , prosecute for the law that is broken.

 

[smithers599]

The purpose of the government is to protect us -- including from ourselves.
To protect us from accidentally shooting ourselves and others, the government should prohibit us from carrying guns. It's for our own good. I mean, if you don't have a gun, you can't accidentally shoot yourself, can you?
Thanks, government!

 

[shooter444]

Seems to me that to pass promoting laws restricting the masses , due to the possible or even likely actions of a few is exactly how the gun ban hoplophobia gains traction.
If some one has legal weed and breaks a law , prosecute for the law that is broken.

Well said,... right on point!!!

 

[338lapua]

Then by your logic semi autos should be illegal because it makes it easier to shoot people and all alcohol should be banned it leads to domestic violence, traffic accidents as well. Lets at least get alcohol banned as we could be cleaning our gun when drunk and shoot someone. Everything can be abused but I am sick of the option for cancer patients who are gun owners not being allowed.

According to your very own statement alcohol apparently does lead to domestic violence.
After all you are the one that said you have at least 10 friends that have beat their wives after drinking alcohol. Then again you do like to tell stories.

A lot of domestic violence occurs when people are drinking, maybe you just don't have any friends. So why don't we ban alcohol which is a big cause of traffic accidents and violence. Salt and the amount of it in the American diet leads to high blood pressure. Most all processed food has added sugar and salt so that causes diabetes and more so lets ban that too. Or am I telling stories about that too moron?

 

[shooter444]

Has anyone ever heard that only law abiding citizens follow the laws they allow their representatives to legislate?

For every law on the books there are law breakers violating them every minute, of the day!

Seems rather stupid to have to say such a thing, but, with all of those thinking laws will some how save society from criminal acts probably need to read it!!!

If laws really did stop illegal acts, there would be no need for the acompanning punishment factor!!! Those factors, obviously are needed for expected violations some think can be legislated out of existence.

 

[redj]

Then by your logic semi autos should be illegal because it makes it easier to shoot people and all alcohol should be banned it leads to domestic violence, traffic accidents as well. Lets at least get alcohol banned as we could be cleaning our gun when drunk and shoot someone. Everything can be abused but I am sick of the option for cancer patients who are gun owners not being allowed.

According to your very own statement alcohol apparently does lead to domestic violence.
After all you are the one that said you have at least 10 friends that have beat their wives after drinking alcohol. Then again you do like to tell stories.

A lot of domestic violence occurs when people are drinking, maybe you just don't have any friends. So why don't we ban alcohol which is a big cause of traffic accidents and violence. Salt and the amount of it in the American diet leads to high blood pressure. Most all processed food has added sugar and salt so that causes diabetes and more so lets ban that too. Or am I telling stories about that too moron?

Sorry but unlike you I do not have any friends that beat their wives.
Is that something you are proud of ?
As far as the stories go , after reading some of the things you post it sure would be interesting to sit around a campfire and listen to you and Ranger1 tell stories.

 

[shooter444]

Take a chill pill redj,... your starting to cross the line!

 

[338lapua]

According to your very own statement alcohol apparently does lead to domestic violence.
After all you are the one that said you have at least 10 friends that have beat their wives after drinking alcohol. Then again you do like to tell stories.

A lot of domestic violence occurs when people are drinking, maybe you just don't have any friends. So why don't we ban alcohol which is a big cause of traffic accidents and violence. Salt and the amount of it in the American diet leads to high blood pressure. Most all processed food has added sugar and salt so that causes diabetes and more so lets ban that too. Or am I telling stories about that too moron?

Sorry but unlike you I do not have any friends that beat their wives.
Is that something you are proud of ?
As far as the stories go , after reading some of the things you post it sure would be interesting to sit around a campfire and listen to you and Ranger1 tell stories.

A guy like you wouldn't even make it to the campground with me, I would leave your ass on the side. of the road somewhere. If you don't like what I say hit the little button so you don't have to read it.

 

[redj]

A guy like you wouldn't even make it to the campground with me, I would leave your ass on the side. of the road somewhere. If you don't like what I say hit the little button so you don't have to read it.

Why would I hit the little button ?
I like stories as much as the next guy.

 

[ooda]

If you smoke pot do not operate machinery or the use or carry of any fire arms. PERIOD...……...

 

[XJThrottle]

I'm gonna guess that nobody in this thread has had a couple beers while out target shooing in the dez with buddies, right?..