Would you consider this a "good shoot"?
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Hummm, let's see. Parking in a "handicap" space "for just a minute", that's OK. Ain't no whitey tellin me were to park..... Now my Big guy violently shoves the other guy to the ground and gets ready for more .... Damm, he got himself shot.... IB suing everyone.
While the shooter might be good from a legal standpoint, I don't think anyone was in the right in this situation. According to another article I read (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...round-law-under-scrutiny-after-father-n893646), the shooter has a history of instigating fights with people and threatening others with a handgun. Seems like he has nothing better to do than start shit with people, and might have been waiting for an opportunity where he could legally shoot someone. The deceased is an idiot for shoving the shooter, and his girlfriend should have never parked in the handicap spot. In my opinion, if somebody shoves you, after you are the one starting the confrontation, then backs off, and then you shoot them, you're kind of a little b!tch. So, basically I see both parties as being in the wrong. To me the shooter's, what I consider to be long, pause between drawing on the deceased and then firing, shows that he was thinking about something... the question is was it fear, or whether he could get away with it. I can understand someone getting pissed off about someone parking in a handicap spot that shouldn't be, I have spinal injuries with osteoarthritis and scoliosis and will be needing a knee replacement in the next few years (I still park at the end of the lot though), but getting all up in someone's sh!t and starting a fight over it doesn't usually solve the initial problem. If the shooter wanted to say anything he should have left it at "Hey, you know you're parked in a handicap zone?" If they don't move, take a picture of them parked in the handicap zone showing their license plate and report it. All I see in this situation are idiots all around.
I might add, though, that if audio for the altercation was present that could sway my opinion if the deceased in fact verbally threatened the shooter in some way after he had drawn his weapon on him.
I might add, though, that if audio for the altercation was present that could sway my opinion if the deceased in fact verbally threatened the shooter in some way after he had drawn his weapon on him.
The article I read on Fox said a witness who frequents the store, indicated the guy has done this several times before- and threatening to use his gun (don't know if just verbally or he pulls it) I got the impression he trolls the lot for people parked in the HC spot and then verbally berates and threatens them. He doesn't appear handicapped so why is this his hot button?
This time he got into it with the girlfriend waiting in the car, and the boyfriend comes out of the store only to find his girl in a confrontation- so I would assume he steps in to defend her... Not sure why he assaulted the guy the way he did but it all went south from there... another theory is that they had history from before and the shooter went looking for him. That might explain the attack on sight aspect.
I really think he over-reacted but due to the physical assault without warning, I'm probably going to go with it as a legal shoot but I wonder whether he instigated and staged the whole thing for that purpose ...after reading the Florida statues here at the least this should be investigated further and perhaps there is cause to charge him, IDK, I'm on the fence.
This time he got into it with the girlfriend waiting in the car, and the boyfriend comes out of the store only to find his girl in a confrontation- so I would assume he steps in to defend her... Not sure why he assaulted the guy the way he did but it all went south from there... another theory is that they had history from before and the shooter went looking for him. That might explain the attack on sight aspect.
I really think he over-reacted but due to the physical assault without warning, I'm probably going to go with it as a legal shoot but I wonder whether he instigated and staged the whole thing for that purpose ...after reading the Florida statues here at the least this should be investigated further and perhaps there is cause to charge him, IDK, I'm on the fence.
I've watched the video multiple times. If I was on a jury I would have to vote good shoot.
The victim, Drejka, was not excited, screaming, gesturing at the woman in the car. The perp, McGlockton, walloped him with no warning. If you consider Drejka's angle looking at McGlockton he might not have seen M's small step back. With no sound we don't know if there was a threat from M.
Barring some evidence that we don't know I go with Drejka being justified.
The victim, Drejka, was not excited, screaming, gesturing at the woman in the car. The perp, McGlockton, walloped him with no warning. If you consider Drejka's angle looking at McGlockton he might not have seen M's small step back. With no sound we don't know if there was a threat from M.
Barring some evidence that we don't know I go with Drejka being justified.
I think the legally correct definition of "fearing for one's life", after being blind side body slammed by a physically superior attacker, can ONLY BE DETERMINED by the victim.
No other person on earth can speak for the one victimized!
ONLY he/she can relate his/her state of mind during a physical attack, period, imo!
No other person on earth can speak for the one victimized!
ONLY he/she can relate his/her state of mind during a physical attack, period, imo!
Steve_In_29
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Actually there is a good bit of "feel" involved in the process. What puts a 20yo healthy stud in fear of their life is not the same thing that would do so for a 60yo feeble person or for a 30yo woman.Miker12 said:
Miker12 said:
From my limited legal education, in a court of LAW, the TESTIMONIAL FACT of a victim's mental state during an attack, can only be qualified by the victim.
A victim testimony of "WHAT I FEEL" in a legal proceeding IS THE ONLY TRUE AND VALID FACT TO A VICTIM'S STATE OF MIND !
How could it be any other way?
Testimony of strangers who don't know the victim is not normally considered legally valid, or of any worth. Or, as in this case, a stranger on the internet, claiming to know the definitive state of mind of a victim of violence from watching a silent video, is a prime example of victimization after the fact.
As to your date rape comparison, I can't see the correlation. I feel, there seems to be something a little more in line with projection, than fact? If you could expand on this a little bit, maybe I could understand better.
What I will say, is, as with any victim of violence, a rape victim's testimony to her state of mind, is usually the only legally valid fact to "state of mind", for a legal record. That doesn't mean other non-professional opinions can't be considered, but, they rarely over shadow a victim's testimony.
Good shoot in the sense that "good" = "legal."
Stupid shoot, though. If you decide to be a gun carrier, you must also decide to avoid confrontation. Friend of mine told me he saw a woman wearing a T-shirt that said "Trump is a racist." He said he walked up to her and said "Trump is not a f____ racist!" It was his right to express himself, but he is just asking for trouble. I don't want him or guys like him carrying a gun. There is enough trouble in the world without starting more.
"Well, she started it; with her T-shirt she was just asking for an argument." Likewise, the woman who parked in the handicapped spot was just asking for an argument. If somebody starts an argument, you have no obligation to accept the invitation. Walk away.
Stupid shoot, though. If you decide to be a gun carrier, you must also decide to avoid confrontation. Friend of mine told me he saw a woman wearing a T-shirt that said "Trump is a racist." He said he walked up to her and said "Trump is not a f____ racist!" It was his right to express himself, but he is just asking for trouble. I don't want him or guys like him carrying a gun. There is enough trouble in the world without starting more.
"Well, she started it; with her T-shirt she was just asking for an argument." Likewise, the woman who parked in the handicapped spot was just asking for an argument. If somebody starts an argument, you have no obligation to accept the invitation. Walk away.
"If somebody starts an argument, you have no obligation to accept the invitation. Walk away."
Sage advice, smithers599!
But, that is advice I would give to the attacker, not the victim. All he had to do was walk up to the old guy, admit his parking mistake, get in his car and drive away, and that PROBABLY would have ended it!
Sage advice, smithers599!
But, that is advice I would give to the attacker, not the victim. All he had to do was walk up to the old guy, admit his parking mistake, get in his car and drive away, and that PROBABLY would have ended it!
horsefeathers on who, what and when someone can comment on anything, and one does not have to behave differently because they are armed, where in the hell does that come from. If you think a weapon makes you special, well then you should probably park it somewhere and leave the carrying to responsible individuals. Discourse and discussion are how things work, stupid people don't know they are stupid unless someone tells them, uninformed folks don't know it till they are told.
Jeez, just look on the internet, on this site, and see all the bad advise one can pick up, by some providing the wrong info, on carrying, gun rights, trespass isues, ect.
Its America, you have the right to speak your mind, and if someone takes offense, then its how you react to their retort that makes the system work.
this fear of telling someone they are wrong, stupid or otherwise engaged outside the discussion is just silly, more people need to step up and comment on stupid crap. Not to say one needs to go out of their way, but commons sense should prevail, that is if there is any left in the world.
liberalism is showing up everywhere.
jmo
Rj
Jeez, just look on the internet, on this site, and see all the bad advise one can pick up, by some providing the wrong info, on carrying, gun rights, trespass isues, ect.
Its America, you have the right to speak your mind, and if someone takes offense, then its how you react to their retort that makes the system work.
this fear of telling someone they are wrong, stupid or otherwise engaged outside the discussion is just silly, more people need to step up and comment on stupid crap. Not to say one needs to go out of their way, but commons sense should prevail, that is if there is any left in the world.
liberalism is showing up everywhere.
jmo
Rj
Good point. The guy who parked in the handicapped parking space won't do that again, will he?
Mike Anthony, who wrote the syllabus for the Arizona Concealed Weapons course, uses the term "Cone of Peace," referencing the "Cone of Silence" that was a recurring prop in the old Get Smart TV show. Live your life under the Cone of Peace. Do not flip the bird at anybody. Do not honk your horn to express your displeasure at anybody. Don't say f__ you to anybody. And if somebody does those things to you, take no notice. "My wife is a whore? Yes, sir, I'm terribly sorry about that. Goodbye." Do you really need the respect of a jerk to feel validated?
If you do not live under the Cone of Peace, you increase your risk of getting attacked and injured or killed, or setting up a situation where you are forced to shoot somebody. Neither of those is a good result.
May the Cone of Peace be upon you.
Mike Anthony, who wrote the syllabus for the Arizona Concealed Weapons course, uses the term "Cone of Peace," referencing the "Cone of Silence" that was a recurring prop in the old Get Smart TV show. Live your life under the Cone of Peace. Do not flip the bird at anybody. Do not honk your horn to express your displeasure at anybody. Don't say f__ you to anybody. And if somebody does those things to you, take no notice. "My wife is a whore? Yes, sir, I'm terribly sorry about that. Goodbye." Do you really need the respect of a jerk to feel validated?
If you do not live under the Cone of Peace, you increase your risk of getting attacked and injured or killed, or setting up a situation where you are forced to shoot somebody. Neither of those is a good result.
May the Cone of Peace be upon you.
Cone of Peace works for me.
I turned into a handicapped parking space at Costco a few years back not seeing that another car about 6 or 7 spaces in front of me was waiting for the previous car to leave that spot so he could take it. I got out of my car to hear him honking his horn and cussing a blue streak at me. My wife was with me as she is the handicapped one, or should I say, least handicapped one of us and using a cane. The guy proceeded to get more and more obnoxious but I, nor my wife, said a word. We just proceeded to get a shopping cart and move on. The guy's wife finally noticed another spot not 20 feet away and directed him to drive there. End of altercation. I was carrying at the time but didn't want to be called out for showing the gun in a Costco parking lot as they don't prefer to have guns in their midst. And I had no intention of pulling the gun. No need to escalate these kind of events. Life can get very complicated if that is done.
I turned into a handicapped parking space at Costco a few years back not seeing that another car about 6 or 7 spaces in front of me was waiting for the previous car to leave that spot so he could take it. I got out of my car to hear him honking his horn and cussing a blue streak at me. My wife was with me as she is the handicapped one, or should I say, least handicapped one of us and using a cane. The guy proceeded to get more and more obnoxious but I, nor my wife, said a word. We just proceeded to get a shopping cart and move on. The guy's wife finally noticed another spot not 20 feet away and directed him to drive there. End of altercation. I was carrying at the time but didn't want to be called out for showing the gun in a Costco parking lot as they don't prefer to have guns in their midst. And I had no intention of pulling the gun. No need to escalate these kind of events. Life can get very complicated if that is done.
I live 25 miles, out in the desert, from a small town (less than 4,000 people) , I often see handicap violators at the Safeway food store.
It bugs me, because I have seen a old cripple lady gimping along with her walker past a unmarked car in a handicap spot, as independent as she could be, not showing one ounce of complaint.
I have often thought of calling it in to the locals, but, they probably wouldn't respond, anyway.
The previous posted comment on taking a phone pic strikes my fancy! :clap: I wish I had thought of it, back when!
I think, taking a pic of a violator's license plate with the the handicap sign in the background, while he/she is getting out of their vehicle, would be interesting. :idea: Next time!
It bugs me, because I have seen a old cripple lady gimping along with her walker past a unmarked car in a handicap spot, as independent as she could be, not showing one ounce of complaint.
I have often thought of calling it in to the locals, but, they probably wouldn't respond, anyway.
The previous posted comment on taking a phone pic strikes my fancy! :clap: I wish I had thought of it, back when!
I think, taking a pic of a violator's license plate with the the handicap sign in the background, while he/she is getting out of their vehicle, would be interesting. :idea: Next time!
Legal shoot but a bad choice in my mind. I usually do not like to second guess someone, but I would not put myself in the situation to begin with. I read another article that said he was there often yelling at people for parking in the handicap spot. It is a tough situation.
Crippledtrigger
Member
smithers599 said:
The cone of peace looks too much like the traditional "dunce hat".
If someone called my wife a whore I think I would become very animated and have little control over my reaction. I'd say my wife's a whore? God damn straight. That's why I married her. She puts out like a broken candy machine and hands out BJs on demand. Hell sometimes I have to force her to quit cause she sucked the top layer of skin right off my cock causing it to swell to the size of an African Elephants. She is more exclusive than a million dollar escort.
If I were thinking quick enough anyways.
If you carry you should avoid trouble, i.e. getting aggressive or in their face. Still you should always tell someone they are number 1. No problem with providing a little constructive criticism re their shortcomings.
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