Would you consider this a "good shoot"?

[shooter444]

Re: Would you consider this a "good shoot"?
#75 Post by Suck My Glock » August 15th, 2018, 9:27 am
WROTE:...
"I am also an advocate against mere passion of the moment rage vengence [sic],...which is what I believe I see occuring [sic] in the video."


May I STRONGLY advise you to SEE what is OCCURRING,... a little more CLOSELY!

I SEE absolutely NO PASSION or MOMENT of RAGE VENGEANCE occurring by the shooter,...NO facial expression and NO physical / body language from the body slammed defendant, indicating any of your listed reasons for prejudgment,... he merely sits up, pulls his defense weapon and shoots his attacker.

WITH,... TOTAL,...EMOTIONLESS,... DEMEANOR!!!

You say you are only going by what you see in the video,...then go by what is in the video!

As I stated before,... the only body language expressing PASSION, a MOMENT of RAGE, or VENGEANCE,... (since there is no audio),... is expressed by the attacker, imo.

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Re: Would you consider this a "good shoot"?
#75 Post by Suck My Glock » August 15th, 2018, 9:27 am
WROTE:...
"But thankfully, our trial system is supposed to allow for this man to make his argument as to why he believed he was justified."

Hmmm, well, not quite, but very close!

THANKFULLY, our trial system is supposed to treat every defendant, as innocent, until proven guilty.

Which puts the burden of proving the defendants GUILT,... on the prosecutor/state/federal gov.!

Not the other way around!

No defendant is required to present any defense as to their innocence,... NONE!

At least,... that is what I have been taught! Please, correct me, if wrong!

 

[Jack Dupp]

https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/ask-an-attorney-florida-parking-lot-shooting/

 

[knockonit]

lol, funny shiat, gunsamerica yeah, not really, the courts will decide what was real and not,at this point its moot to discuss, not all the facts are available, and for an article such as this to post legality issues, pretty stupid

jmo
happy sunday
Rj

 

[shooter444]

Knockonit, you got that right!

There are so many holes in that article,...or whatever it is,... it would take me a half hour just to type it all out. I'm too busy trying to figure out how to shrink some pistol ad pics, again! :angry-banghead:

Maybe later!

Suffice it to say, this falls under the proverbial saying,... assholes and opinions, everybody has one,... but, sometimes it's to hard to decipher which end the noises are emitting from!

 

[Miker12]

UPDATE: Michael Drejka, who invoked 'stand your ground' defense in shooting of unarmed man, guilty of manslaughter

https://abcnews.go.com/US/michael-drejka-told-police-shooting-victim-stepped-contrary/story?id=65121107

I attached this update to the original conversation we all had last year. Enjoy

 

[Crippledtrigger]

An interesting point or two from the trial.

The defense got every eye witness to change their story about threats. They were all forced to admit on the stand the old guy made no threats to the lady. Even the lady herself said he didnt threaten her. All witnesses said that they feel someone yelling at them is a threat. Neither the defense or judge addressed this.

The lady admitted the she was the only one to make anything like a threatening statement when she said "do I need to get my man out here to handle this."
This was also under cross by the defense. Their whole defense was apparently to show the guy made no threats, the woman did and then the boyfriend attacked.

The judge allowed the 5 year old complaint about a truck driver parking in the spot and the old guy calling his boss. He said people get shot over stuff like that. Sounds bad as the prosecutor clearly wanted to show he was on the prowl to kill parking violators. The defense did not address it, why? It could also easily show that one arguement 5 years ago doesn't a vigilante make.

The guys arrogant attitude and mouth hurt him.

Anyways just some thoughts. I dont think he got a good defense.

Oh, almost forgot. There was also testimony that the sign and parking space itself WAS NOT LEGALLY MARKED SIGNED OR WORDED TO BE A LEGAL DISABLED PARKING SPOT. Neither part knew this at the time but who ever wanted to could park there with no violation or ticketable issue.

Sue the store owner? Any ambo chaser worth his Kmart blue light special sport coat will file on that one.

 

[Suck My Glock]

None of that mattered. When he drew, the assault was over and attacker was staying put because of the gun. He then CHOSE to shoot him anyway.

That would have gone down here the same way. And if I were on that jury, I would have convicted him too. It was an unnecessary shooting after the assailant retreated from the weapon being pointed at him.

 

[Crippledtrigger]

A proper expert would have challenged that assertion. The victim gets a beat or two to realize the threat is over. Mas Ayoob has testified several times where the victim is charged with murder cause the attacker was shot in the back or side as he turned away. Just because you realize your willing easy victim was not so much doesnt mean the guy defending his self has to realise it at the same instant. There is alot going on.

Oh, those guys were all acquitted.

I'm just saying there could have been a better defense here.

 

[Suck My Glock]

If there was no video,...yes, there could have been a better defense. But the video trumps all. You see it like you were there. I see the guy pause after drawing,...I see him taking time to think through what he is doing,...I see him shoot AFTER the assault was over.

Case closed.

 

[Ballistic Therapy]

The guy that did the shooting also started the whole thing.
When you carry a gun starting arguments will not look good in court.

 

[harleypower69]

The shooter acted like a gang banger fighting over territory he didn't own. When I saw the police interrogation video that was released he stated that this particular parking spot was a pet peeve of his.

Before seeing that I could see why he pulled the gun but the store video sealed it. He shot a retreating man where he could have just held him for cops to face an assault charge. The guy apparently has a self appointed save the world complex. Straight to jail and done.

 

[Ballistic Therapy]

Hold him for police ?
How do you do that ?
If the guy decides not to be held for police can you shoot them ?
If the guy tells you to screw off and starts walking away you sure as heck can't shoot them in the back.

 

[harleypower69]

AWWW Jeez BT, what the f***, there was video camera surveillance. I don't know if FL has citizen arrest laws. All I know is shooting him was a bad call. If I felt strongly enough to get into a fight and a gun was pulled I too would retreat.

Moot point not going to bicker over old news carry on.

 

[Ballistic Therapy]

You said " He shot a retreating man where he could have just held him for cops to face an assault charge. "
All I did was ask some questions about your remark.

I am not saying he should have or shouldn't have shot the guy.
I was just asking questions about a remark you made.

No offense intended.

 

[Doc Holliday]

How is anyone going to 'hold him until the cops arrive'? You going to shoot him in the back if he just gets up and walks away? What are you going to do? Yea....nothing.

 

[harleypower69]

Thanks BT, no offense taken.

DH, Quick question - if you had a gun pointed at you and knew cops were on way would you walk off or wait? Exactly, do nothing.

As I wrote above I have zero idea about FL as relates to citizens arresting criminals. If on the books and he walked off then one could reason he resisted arrest. Just saying.

Definitely would not have shot him but would be damn sure I filed an assault charge.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Thanks BT, no offense taken.

DH, Quick question - if you had a gun pointed at you and knew cops were on way would you walk off or wait? Exactly, do nothing.

As I wrote above I have zero idea about FL as relates to citizens arresting criminals. If on the books and he walked off then one could reason he resisted arrest. Just saying.

Definitely would not have shot him but would be damn sure I filed an assault charge.

I can tell you exactly what I would do...because it's happened. When I had a loaded XD .40 pointed at my head, I was so angry that I mouthed off to the punk tweeker, then put my van in drive and went down the block, pulled over and had the cops there in 30 seconds. They dragged him out of his house and off to jail he went with a Felony Assault with a Deadly Weapon charge.

 

[g5m]

This is a very interesting thread.

 

[harleypower69]

Thanks BT, no offense taken.

DH, Quick question - if you had a gun pointed at you and knew cops were on way would you walk off or wait? Exactly, do nothing.

As I wrote above I have zero idea about FL as relates to citizens arresting criminals. If on the books and he walked off then one could reason he resisted arrest. Just saying.

Definitely would not have shot him but would be damn sure I filed an assault charge.

I can tell you exactly what I would do...because it's happened. When I had a loaded XD .40 pointed at my head, I was so angry that I mouthed off to the punk tweeker, then put my van in drive and went down the block, pulled over and had the cops there in 30 seconds. They dragged him out of his house and off to jail he went with a Felony Assault with a Deadly Weapon charge.

Job well done and glad you lived to tell the tale.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Thanks BT, no offense taken.

DH, Quick question - if you had a gun pointed at you and knew cops were on way would you walk off or wait? Exactly, do nothing.

As I wrote above I have zero idea about FL as relates to citizens arresting criminals. If on the books and he walked off then one could reason he resisted arrest. Just saying.

Definitely would not have shot him but would be damn sure I filed an assault charge.

I can tell you exactly what I would do...because it's happened. When I had a loaded XD .40 pointed at my head, I was so angry that I mouthed off to the punk tweeker, then put my van in drive and went down the block, pulled over and had the cops there in 30 seconds. They dragged him out of his house and off to jail he went with a Felony Assault with a Deadly Weapon charge.

Job well done and glad you lived to tell the tale.

Not really...in hindsight, I shouldn't have run my mouth the way I did, it could have driven him to pull the trigger....it's just that I was so damn angry that he was endangering my life for nothing...I wasn't aware of what was going on around me, otherwise I may have seen him approach...and gotten out of their before the confrontation...gotta pay attention to your surroundings...'Victim of Gun Violence'?...yea, I guess so, but I hope one day the kid gets straightened out and even gets his Gun Rights back, once he's learned responsible gun ownership...