Will this organization die?

[YNOTAZ]

Pretty sure the comments aren't directed at you.

I understand that, I was responding to the tenor. I’ve tried to get people to join AZCDL, write letters, I’ve posted links to prewritten letters to congress and state legislators, and I’ve gotten everything from subtle push-back to outright nasty, and this is on multiple “gun“ forums.

It seems people who frequent forums are OK with arguing and playing Operator from behind their keyboards but they can’t get motivate to actually do something.

 

[paulgt2164]

Oh, I agree - but luckily that ain't everyone. The "It will never pass," "I don't care about that so let them ban it," and "Doing that doesn't accomplish anything" Fudds are the worst and why we are in the situation we are in.

 

[TheAccountant]

Oh, I agree - but luckily that ain't everyone. The "It will never pass," "I don't care about that so let them ban it," and "Doing that doesn't accomplish anything" Fudds are the worst and why we are in the situation we are in.

We’re in the situation we’re in because the only response to any of those statements (or any statement that even remotely contradicts one of the blow hard cliques’ thoughts) is, “Shut up, fudd.” Maybe instead of thinking everyone else is the problem they should take the dwindling numbers as a clue that what they’re doing isn’t effective.

 

[YNOTAZ]

And now we have the bean counter who steps in to tell everyone what they’re thinking, what they’ve done, and what they’ll do.

He’s accomplished nothing, offered nothing, and done nothing. Then he goes on to do exactly what he accuses everyone else of, he points his finger at others and blames them for “the situation we are in”. A bean counter that can’t account for anything, useless.

 

[XJThrottle]

It's kinda funny that everyone assumes he is an actual accountant instead of possibly just referencing the movie with Ben Affleck..

 

[kenpoprofessor]

It's kinda funny that everyone assumes he is an actual accountant instead of possibly just referencing the movie with Ben Affleck..

Well, if you post like an anonypussy, people will presume all sorts of things. I post with my own good name, like me, hate me, I don't care, but at least you know who I am. Willing to bet most of the people who post anonymously here are useless pieces of chit.

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

 

[DonnyFox]

They shouldn't have pushed out the younger members when they were meaning to do well in 2019-2021. Many of them found themselves burned out and exhausted with dealing with the toxicity of that community and feeling they had to have political loyalties to conservatives rather than the 2A. Alongside this, many felt disgusted at the idea that playing video games caused individuals to want to shoot up schools and kill people.

They need to do a better job.

Many of those "young ones" were ignorant, smart mouth, little pricks.

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

You mean like the Filipino dude who got called a darkie for the crime of saying "people his age should be drawn into firearms through video games"? The same guy who got red flagged? Those young ones, right? The ones who begged, cojoled, and pleaded for a larger social media presence(that same person also worked with SAF's 2A Gaming).

I'm sure someone who gets called a darkie is going to have a great motivation to help out a community of people who keep stonewalling them and their group. I'm sorry, is this how we bring people in or show ourselves as a bunch of "ignorant old white folk?"

 

[kenpoprofessor]

You mean like the Filipino dude who got called a darkie for the crime of saying "people his age should be drawn into firearms through video games"? The same guy who got red flagged? Those young ones, right? The ones who begged, cojoled, and pleaded for a larger social media presence(that same person also worked with SAF's 2A Gaming).

I'm sure someone who gets called a darkie is going to have a great motivation to help out a community of people who keep stonewalling them and their group. I'm sorry, is this how we bring people in or show ourselves as a bunch of "ignorant old white folk?"

So, you going to blame me for some other idiot's actions and words now? Sure, I'm white, go ahead, that's what folks are doing now right? Jackass

Clyde

 

[TheAccountant]

And now we have the bean counter who steps in to tell everyone what they’re thinking, what they’ve done, and what they’ll do.

He’s accomplished nothing, offered nothing, and done nothing. Then he goes on to do exactly what he accuses everyone else of, he points his finger at others and blames them for “the situation we are in”. A bean counter that can’t account for anything, useless.

Right on schedule. I can’t imagine why people aren’t flocking to the joke of an organization you push. You like to talk about all of things you do but you don’t have shit to show for them in the way of actual accomplishments - much like your life in general I suspect.

 

[YNOTAZ]

Calling AZCDL a joke is high praise coming from an inconsequential ass like yourself.

Thank you.

 

[admin]

I'm glad to see the enthusiasm here, but there are going to be some time-outs dished out if you guys don't keep it civil and understand that we're all on the same team here.

 

[kenpoprofessor]

I'm glad to see the enthusiasm here, but there are going to be some time-outs dished out if you guys don't keep it civil and understand that we're all on the same team here.

Clearly we are not, as evidenced by this thread.

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

 

[DonnyFox]

A big reason why AZ CDL is dying is quite literally because their membership refuses to shift from the old generation to the new one. A big part of that comes and stems from a lot of the lack of understanding or blatant pushing away of new media, and I don't think them having Dave Grossman, a guy who is reviled on both sides of the aisle did them any favors.

 

[YNOTAZ]

A big reason why AZ CDL is dying is quite literally because their membership refuses to shift from the old generation to the new one. A big part of that comes and stems from a lot of the lack of understanding or blatant pushing away of new media, and I don't think them having Dave Grossman, a guy who is reviled on both sides of the aisle did them any favors.

Have you ever thought that maybe the "old generation" doesn't know how to use and control new media and maybe the "old generation" is trying to figure out how to attract a new "generation".

Seems to me you're watching through the window from the outside and making a lot of assumptions about what's being discussed at the meetings. If you are a "new media" hot-shot how about joining and volunteering to give a presence on new media?

Maybe, rather than blaming the "old generation", if you know the problem, as you indicate, and you know a solution, as you also indicate, how about offering help rather pointing fingers. Go back to the first post in this thread, it's an AZCDL member asking the question "Will you step up?" WELL?

 

[DonnyFox]

I was one of the ten people who tried to make a difference in their social media presence, but their goals were keeping in their older membership at the cost of their older membership. The primary issue lies in the older membership is dying off, no one wants to hear people speaking truth to power, and would rather hand wave issues away rather than actually take care of them. It's why anyone who wanted to care and put their best effort in felt no love for it, and decided to spread the 2A message their own way through educating friends and family who are reluctant, but willing to get into firearms.

This attitude is why people looking in don't want firearms, they see the chest thumping insanity that is people like Grossman and their "sheepdog protecting the sheep" mentality and they either tune out because it's mean to call people sheep or they think everyone who likes guns is a psycho vigilante that relishes in the idea of using them.

Is this the idea that should be pushed vs treating firearms as tools to protect you and yours?

 

[YNOTAZ]

The primary issue lies in the older membership is dying off, no one wants to hear people speaking truth to power.

people like Grossman

You are right the older folks are dying off but it seems really hard to get younger folks in, even to join much less do something. I don't know which Grossman you're talking about or what run-in you had with him but, just like Thom asked in the opening post AZCDL can use some vitality, and it certainly doesn't need to be called a stupid organization by a young chest thumper like it was a bit earlier.

If you have something to offer as help, there are several folks here that can get you in touch with AZCDL board members and will help push good ideas.

Just keep in mind, AZCDL is not a protest organizer it promotes gun laws and opposes gun laws through the legislature. Many of its members have participated in demonstrations at the capital but that is not the organization's focus.

 

[kenpoprofessor]

The real problem is, The People. Most gun "owners", probably close to 80%, don' know dick about their gun, the safety concerning it, or the laws about it. Worse, they are apathetic to their own ignorance. I've asked hundreds of folks if they "owned guns", most said yes, but could usually only name caliber, and sometimes brand, and they were quite content to have even that level of knowledge. They just don't care anymore, life is easy, why should they. They'll do what their phone tells them to do, period.

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

 

[delta6]

The real problem is, The People. Most gun "owners", probably close to 80%, don' know dick about their gun, the safety concerning it, or the laws about it. Worse, they are apathetic to their own ignorance. I've asked hundreds of folks if they "owned guns", most said yes, but could usually only name caliber, and sometimes brand, and they were quite content to have even that level of knowledge. They just don't care anymore, life is easy, why should they. They'll do what their phone tells them to do, period.

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

So, here's a thought.....
If they do not know something...Educate them..

Don’t belittle them.

 

[AZ_Five56]

The real problem is, The People. Most gun "owners", probably close to 80%, don' know dick about their gun, the safety concerning it, or the laws about it. Worse, they are apathetic to their own ignorance. I've asked hundreds of folks if they "owned guns", most said yes, but could usually only name caliber, and sometimes brand, and they were quite content to have even that level of knowledge. They just don't care anymore, life is easy, why should they. They'll do what their phone tells them to do, period.

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

So, here's a thought.....
If they do not know something...Educate them..

Don’t belittle them.

Agreed. If they're a gun owner already, I feel like they're most of the way there. We need to be evangelists of the 2nd Amendment and to know all the talking points of our gun gospel better than anyone so that we can win these people over. This also means we have to be charismatic rather than a bunch of grouchy d*ckheads.

 

[Jack Dupp]

The real problem is, The People. Most gun "owners", probably close to 80%, don' know dick about their gun, the safety concerning it, or the laws about it. Worse, they are apathetic to their own ignorance. I've asked hundreds of folks if they "owned guns", most said yes, but could usually only name caliber, and sometimes brand, and they were quite content to have even that level of knowledge. They just don't care anymore, life is easy, why should they. They'll do what their phone tells them to do, period.

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

So, here's a thought.....
If they do not know something...Educate them..

Don’t belittle them.

Big +1, Gil.

I see a major reason why more don't join AZCDL is because the members usually try to shame gun owners to join instead of enumerating the positives on why they should join.

A lot like how competition shooters (like ceramic_god and sinistral rifleman several years back) that shot the ACTS match in Tucson belittled non-competitor enthusiasts, calling them "dirtshooters". They'd pat themselves on the back, crowing about how by taking training classes and shooting comps, they were the REAL 2nd Amendment supporters, actually doing something to further the 2A cause. While the rest of us were a bunch of slack-jawed yokels that could barely do more than shoot dirt mounds and drool in a cup.