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Will this organization die?
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The whole dirtshooter thing was hilarious.
I’m a dirtshooter and a competitor. When I look down the list of USPSA numbers on a Practiscore match I see that many of the “holier than thou” types didn’t enter into USPSA until 10-15yrs after I did….
I’m a dirtshooter and a competitor. When I look down the list of USPSA numbers on a Practiscore match I see that many of the “holier than thou” types didn’t enter into USPSA until 10-15yrs after I did….
kenpoprofessor said:
Ah, and yet more overwhelming ignorant dildo-isms. What does gun knowledge have to do with anything in this thread? Either you have forgotten your ginkgo bilboa for the day and veered off course, or you are trying to divert after you yet again embarrassingly tried playing the race card/victim several posts ago.
Apparently playing the race card/victim is your new MO. Lol. That is the second time in a just a couple weeks. You feeling a bit uncomfortable with diversity?kenpoprofessor said:
Hate to break it to you there skipper, but you don't have to know a lot about guns, or even own them to be a 2A supporter / activist / enthusiast. I know quite a few people who don't own a firearm but make the effort to engage their elected officials, donate to good 2A orgs, and attend protest / marches. I also know quite a few people who can't tell you a ton about their firearms but would probably embarrass you with their abilities to wield the firearms they do own.
Not being a walking encyclopedia of the firearms word doesn't mean someone can't/isn't a supporter in our rights. There is zero functional difference between someone who knows "I have a Sig 9mm" and someone who knows "I have a Sig Elite VTAC in 9mm w/ Novak sights and a Wilson grip frame."
Knowing a ton about firearms isn't a prerequisite to supporting the 2A. I would rather have 100 people that don't own/know guns but will be involved in supporting the 2A then 1000000 knowledgeable gun owners who think sending money off to the NRA is the only thing they should be doing.
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There will be no further warnings.
kenpoprofessor said:
What does gun knowledge have to do with anything in this thread?
Hate to break it to you, but you don't have to know a lot about guns, or even own them to be a 2A supporter / activist / enthusiast. I know quite a few people who don't own a firearm but make the effort to engage their elected officials, donate to good 2A orgs, and attend protest / marches. I also know quite a few people who can't tell you a ton about their firearms but would probably embarrass you with their abilities to wield the firearms they do own.
Not being a walking encyclopedia of the firearms word doesn't mean someone can't/isn't a supporter in our rights. There is zero functional difference between someone who knows "I have a Sig 9mm" and someone who knows "I have a Sig Elite VTAC in 9mm w/ Novak sights and a Wilson grip frame."
Knowing a ton about firearms isn't a prerequisite to supporting the 2A. I would rather have 100 people that don't own/know guns but will be involved in supporting the 2A then 1000000 knowledgeable gun owners who think sending money off to the NRA is the only thing they should be doing.
*Post edited to appease the mods.
kenpoprofessor
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delta6 said:
Did you not read the part about "they don't care"??? Maybe you missed it, so I'll write it again.
THEY DON'T CARE or want to be educated, they even tell me that.
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I don’t believe it. Who wouldn’t want an unsolicited “education” from some crass prick that thinks he’s god’s gift to the gun community?
Ok this is one positive note that hapoens. I just received 2 emails from AZCDL. They were action alerts SB 1096 and HB 2394. These are for Action Alerts using the Request to Speak on the AZ capital website.
kenpoprofessor
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DonnyFox said:
Geezus, there must be something wrong here, or, maybe it's just more of this group is as retarded as the other people that don't care. Why would you even say that??? I thought I made myself perfectly clear that I do "move on", hence why I know so many folks just don't care.
Now, on that note, what are your suggestion or ideas???
Clyde
kenpoprofessor said:
You really are a ray of sunshine in the dark aren't you? They should bring back the people who were asking for a greater social media presence, talk with the people who genuinely wanted to do something, and actually be open minded as to dealing with them. They should be willing to hear out new social media marketing strategies that aren't just poorly dated memes, foster a sense of community belonging to the younger generation. They should bring back the members of the younger generation who wanted to do something and actually hear out their suggestions rather than pushing them away and complaining because the old ways don't work anymore.
On top of this, they should drop the old Reagan era virtue signaling and actually hear out what Generation Z and millennials have to say instead of just completely brushing them off. It's something all of us did care about but were so disgusted with how the culture and the membership base of the CDL treated us that we didn't feel the CDL stood for our interests. Dave Kopp understood this, God rest his soul, but it's going to take major reforms to get that across.
DonnyFox said:
Tell you what, how about rather than arguing, point out what those Gens, X, Y, Z, Mells have to say. What do they want addressed? What do they want to shy away from? What do you or they consider "virtue signaling?
If you have a handle on that, post it and you might just find some backing.
If you/they want to shy away from things because they might hurt the feelings of Fudds or Internet Karens, you certainly will get my resistance.
YNOTAZ said:
They wanted a greater amount of autonomy in promoting AZ CDL outside of gun shows, the problem being that much of the leadership wasn't comfortable with posting memes that would promote the CDL. We had to get bureaucratic approval to even post memes as they had to be approved by the president(at the time Dave) and the secretary.
We showed one meme and it was turned down considered "fat shaming". I thought this was a group about freedom and not caring about what other people thought.
But that is a two way street.
"What do you consider virtue signaling?"
Selling constitutional carry cards at gun show tables for two dollars makes them look like the stereotype that other people have been pushing back against. You don't market with an image that you want to use your gun on people.
DonnyFox said:
Most organizations require approval before public representation of them, it's not only an AZCDL thing, especially with today's hyper-sensitive X-y&Z generations. You can't advertise for Apple, Motorola, IBM, AT&T or Joes bar and grill without the management approving it. I linked a Dove soap ad written by a hired advertising agency that caused calls for a boycott, imagine if volunteer did it without approval?
As far as selling constitutional carry cards, if people are buying them, it is probably a huge markup.
In that light I'm not really seeing your gripe with either situation. Are there better ways, probably but that's where the younger folks come in.
https://youtu.be/zkIrbVycAeM
Here is a copy of the last newsletter. I hope this can help gunowners understand what the AZCDL is doing and trying to do. Help if you can. Take the free ride and let others fight for what you won't, if you want, but don't bitch when you lose what you think the hobbit won't do.
https://azcdl.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/azcdl-newsletter-202302.pdf
https://azcdl.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/azcdl-newsletter-202302.pdf
