Will this organization die?

[thom]

Was it President Reagan that said Freedom is never more than one generation away? Hobbs meets with Moms Demand Action on her FB page and I think that we will be losing our rights as gunowners. With the dims taking over, how well do you support the AZCDL?
Why hasn't there been an AZCDL table at shows, other than the SAR show? Ed was the Phoenix area coordinator and he died. No one has wanted to fill the coordinator spot, so a few of the Tucson area members come up when they are able at their own expense. Is there anyone in the Phoenix area that could coordinate the shows and help spread the work about why we exist? Most of the members sitting at the shows are 50 or older it seems, (one guy had a big white beard and no Santa suit at the SAR show), we need younger members that can relate to the newer younger gun owners.
Sure the AZCDL sends out info to members about the good and bad bills the new state legislature wants passed but the general population never sees it. With over 22,000 members in the AZCDL we should have some clout, but it seems like the AZCDL is going by the wayside. At the worst we should have2-4 members manning the gun show booths at all times and remember that entrance fee to the show is covered if you spend a few hours at the table.

Will you step up?

 

[kenpoprofessor]

Was it President Reagan that said Freedom is never more than one generation away? Hobbs meets with Moms Demand Action on her FB page and I think that we will be losing our rights as gunowners. With the dims taking over, how well do you support the AZCDL?
Why hasn't there been an AZCDL table at shows, other than the SAR show? Ed was the Phoenix area coordinator and he died. No one has wanted to fill the coordinator spot, so a few of the Tucson area members come up when they are able at their own expense. Is there anyone in the Phoenix area that could coordinate the shows and help spread the work about why we exist? Most of the members sitting at the shows are 50 or older it seems, (one guy had a big white beard and no Santa suit at the SAR show), we need younger members that can relate to the newer younger gun owners.
Sure the AZCDL sends out info to members about the good and bad bills the new state legislature wants passed but the general population never sees it. With over 22,000 members in the AZCDL we should have some clout, but it seems like the AZCDL is going by the wayside. At the worst we should have2-4 members manning the gun show booths at all times and remember that entrance fee to the show is covered if you spend a few hours at the table.

Will you step up?

Yes, I've stepped up, many times, but gunshows are pointless these days, we need to get out into the community at large. Now, instead of bitching, what are your ideas about how to improve this, well, besides "being at the gunshows"?

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

 

[thom]

I was asking for suggestions too. But I took 4 people to the yearly dinner and got 3 to join, the other guy said that he wanted to be a gray man only. I try to wear my shirts and hats for advertisement, and act responsible when I do. I do the shows, we do get members and renewals. How about you?

Thom

 

[DonnyFox]

They shouldn't have pushed out the younger members when they were meaning to do well in 2019-2021. Many of them found themselves burned out and exhausted with dealing with the toxicity of that community and feeling they had to have political loyalties to conservatives rather than the 2A. Alongside this, many felt disgusted at the idea that playing video games caused individuals to want to shoot up schools and kill people.

They need to do a better job.

 

[paulgt2164]

Manning booths at gun shows is all fine and dandy - but the big issue basically have zero social media presence.

Like it or not - if you don't have that you will be missing the largest potential audience. They also have no presence on a variety of forums of similar interest.The YouTube is just meeting notes. You can't run a modern "activist" organization with the same mentality of running an ad in the back of Guns 'n Ammo. You have to modernize.

Their facebook has 7k followers, the Youtube has a whopping 84 subscribers, and I couldn't find an Instagram for them. This is where they are missing the mark. Some of the youtube videos have been up for nearly a year and have 1 view. That is embarrassing, and shows how out of touch the organization is when it comes to leveraging these platforms.

They need someone to manage social media, organize content with local trainers, businesses, and politicians and make some content that gets people interested and invested. There are enough 2A friendly companies, trainers, manufacturers, politicians, and interest groups here that they could be leveraging - and are not. Ignoring social media, youtube, etc is a massive debilitating mistake. It isn't hard or expensive to make content these days.

Also, if what DonnyFox said is true - that goes right in line with what I am saying. Adapt or die. The 2A community here needs to move into the "modern" realm, accept a more diverse community and run with it. 2A isn't exclusive to "crusty fudd" and organizations that still cater to that audience will not survive. 2A is for everyone regardless of income, race, orientation, gender, or religion. It only takes a glance at the demographics of new gun owners in the last three years to see that the biggest "win" for the 2A is the massively growing amount of diversity in ownership.

 

[kenpoprofessor]

They shouldn't have pushed out the younger members when they were meaning to do well in 2019-2021. Many of them found themselves burned out and exhausted with dealing with the toxicity of that community and feeling they had to have political loyalties to conservatives rather than the 2A. Alongside this, many felt disgusted at the idea that playing video games caused individuals to want to shoot up schools and kill people.

They need to do a better job.

Many of those "young ones" were ignorant, smart mouth, little pricks.

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

 

[paulgt2164]

They shouldn't have pushed out the younger members when they were meaning to do well in 2019-2021. Many of them found themselves burned out and exhausted with dealing with the toxicity of that community and feeling they had to have political loyalties to conservatives rather than the 2A. Alongside this, many felt disgusted at the idea that playing video games caused individuals to want to shoot up schools and kill people.

They need to do a better job.

Many of those "young ones" were ignorant, smart mouth, little pricks.

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

And that is so different than you crusty, old , ignorant, smart mouth, rusty dildos? Way to go on proving DonnyFox's point with remarkable efficiency.

 

[TheAccountant]

A start would be proving the organization actually does something besides bitch and moan. Pick one of the meaningful “accomplishments” listed on the website and explain in detail how exactly AZCDL was “instrumental” in the legislation (i.e., the legislation would not have been introduced, passed, and signed but for the AZCDL). Details are scant on the website.

 

[kenpoprofessor]

And that is so different than you crusty, old , ignorant, smart mouth, rusty dildos? Way to go on proving DonnyFox's point with remarkable efficiency.

Actually, you just proved mine.


Clyde

 

[Garnaz]

Eating your own helps nothing.
Libs are heavily funded and given big passes for any and all protests if that's what you want to call them.

Has anyone tried to setup tables at some of the farmers markets and artsy festivals? Yes I know most are lib attended but not all who go are antis or libs.

FKH

 

[TheAccountant]

Eating your own helps nothing.
Libs are heavily funded and given big passes for any and all protests if that's what you want to call them.

Has anyone tried to setup tables at some of the farmers markets and artsy festivals? Yes I know most are lib attended but not all who go are antis or libs.

FKH

I’ll bet that little experiment would go something like this… About 5 minutes into it someone would dare to question or offer an opposing viewpoint to a self-proclaimed 2A genius. Said genius would go into convulsions, call everyone a fudd/demonrat/etc, pack up their toys and go home.

 

[kenpoprofessor]

I’ll bet that little experiment would go something like this… About 5 minutes into it someone would dare to question or offer an opposing viewpoint to a self-proclaimed 2A genius. Said genius would go into convulsions, call everyone a fudd/demonrat/etc, pack up their toys and go home.

No, just you asking stupid questions about stupid things, and then making more stupid statements. That seems to be your MO.


Clyde

 

[Tenring]

Manning booths at gun shows is all fine and dandy - but the big issue basically have zero social media presence.

Like it or not - if you don't have that you will be missing the largest potential audience. They also have no presence on a variety of forums of similar interest.The YouTube is just meeting notes. You can't run a modern "activist" organization with the same mentality of running an ad in the back of Guns 'n Ammo. You have to modernize.

Their facebook has 7k followers, the Youtube has a whopping 84 subscribers, and I couldn't find an Instagram for them. This is where they are missing the mark. Some of the youtube videos have been up for nearly a year and have 1 view. That is embarrassing, and shows how out of touch the organization is when it comes to leveraging these platforms.

They need someone to manage social media, organize content with local trainers, businesses, and politicians and make some content that gets people interested and invested. There are enough 2A friendly companies, trainers, manufacturers, politicians, and interest groups here that they could be leveraging - and are not. Ignoring social media, youtube, etc is a massive debilitating mistake. It isn't hard or expensive to make content these days.

Also, if what DonnyFox said is true - that goes right in line with what I am saying. Adapt or die. The 2A community here needs to move into the "modern" realm, accept a more diverse community and run with it. 2A isn't exclusive to "crusty fudd" and organizations that still cater to that audience will not survive. 2A is for everyone regardless of income, race, orientation, gender, or religion. It only takes a glance at the demographics of new gun owners in the last three years to see that the biggest "win" for the 2A is the massively growing amount of diversity in ownership.

Agreed - they need a marketing manager or something, defiantly some tech help.

 

[paulgt2164]

I’ll bet that little experiment would go something like this… About 5 minutes into it someone would dare to question or offer an opposing viewpoint to a self-proclaimed 2A genius. Said genius would go into convulsions, call everyone a fudd/demonrat/etc, pack up their toys and go home.

No, just you asking stupid questions about stupid things, and then making more stupid statements. That seems to be your MO.
Clyde

No, actually he is right. The amount of 2A people who can handle an actual conversation or mild debate is pretty small - especially among certain demographics and ages.Many "2A" people are incapable of actual conversation with someone with an opposing viewpoint and default to calling the other person a "lib," "commie," or whatever played out no-imagination insult they have. Anyone that says that is untrue doesn't get out much. Kind of like how you just embarrass yourself in front of us other veterans by whipping out the whole "I am a veteran, my opinion is more relevant" anytime you are on the losing side of an internet argument.

I probably take 20-30 "libs" and "democrats" shooting a year that have never been exposed to it. Results have been good for educating them on what it actually is to be around firearms, use them, and the laws regarding. Seems once you get them to stop just looking at one "side" of information and they start thinking for themselves - they come around.

They would have to be pretty picky in who they had man a booth in "enemy" territory. Last thing we need is some dildo who isn't articulate and/or smart enough to realize that there is actually a diverse community when it comes to the 2A.

The methods that have been used for years aren't working anymore because the opposition has evolved, and "our side" hasn't. This is especially more embarrassing because the tools to fight on equal ground are mostly free - just takes effort. So many 2A supporters just seem content sending off their pennies to the NRA, getting that coveted bumper sticker, and thinking they done something. That is one reason we are where we are at now, slowly but surely being nibbled away at.

 

[paulgt2164]

Manning booths at gun shows is all fine and dandy - but the big issue basically have zero social media presence.

Agreed - they need a marketing manager or something, defiantly some tech help.

Sad part is - it wouldn't be too hard to implement a social media strategy. The recipe is fairly well known. It just requires the time and legwork of getting local places / people onboard and finding someone who is willing to assist with camera/editing. Production value is more important than many think at grabbing attention - then you need the content to hold it.

 

[Tenring]

If the elderly well intentioned people running things don't get some youth infused and alow them to help and eventually take over, yes the origionazition will die.

 

[XJThrottle]

Manning booths at gun shows is all fine and dandy - but the big issue basically have zero social media presence.

Like it or not - if you don't have that you will be missing the largest potential audience. They also have no presence on a variety of forums of similar interest.The YouTube is just meeting notes. You can't run a modern "activist" organization with the same mentality of running an ad in the back of Guns 'n Ammo. You have to modernize.

Their facebook has 7k followers, the Youtube has a whopping 84 subscribers, and I couldn't find an Instagram for them. This is where they are missing the mark. Some of the youtube videos have been up for nearly a year and have 1 view. That is embarrassing, and shows how out of touch the organization is when it comes to leveraging these platforms.

They need someone to manage social media, organize content with local trainers, businesses, and politicians and make some content that gets people interested and invested. There are enough 2A friendly companies, trainers, manufacturers, politicians, and interest groups here that they could be leveraging - and are not. Ignoring social media, youtube, etc is a massive debilitating mistake. It isn't hard or expensive to make content these days.

Also, if what DonnyFox said is true - that goes right in line with what I am saying. Adapt or die. The 2A community here needs to move into the "modern" realm, accept a more diverse community and run with it. 2A isn't exclusive to "crusty fudd" and organizations that still cater to that audience will not survive. 2A is for everyone regardless of income, race, orientation, gender, or religion. It only takes a glance at the demographics of new gun owners in the last three years to see that the biggest "win" for the 2A is the massively growing amount of diversity in ownership.

Agreed - they need a marketing manager or something, defiantly some tech help.

If you don't have a social media presence, you don't exist in most areas. Thinking that the "anti social media" people will save you is a joke.

 

[YNOTAZ]

Sad part is - it wouldn't be too hard to implement a social media strategy. The recipe is fairly well known. It just requires the time and legwork of getting local places / people onboard and finding someone who is willing to assist with camera/editing. Production value is more important than many think at grabbing attention - then you need the content to hold it.

If the elderly well intentioned people running things don't get some youth infused and alow them to help and eventually take over, yes the origionazition will die.

Well us “elderly well intentioned” who became used to ordering firearm through the mail and having them shipped to our home, buying machineguns, having shooting ranges at our high schools, having NRA instructors at our grammar schools and high schools, are pretty Phuckin tired of carrying the load and young Fudds running their mouths about how it should be done and not doing shit.

I have written, called, attended meetings, called meetings, done FOIA requests, met with congress people, met with other government officials, supported NRA, AZCDL, GOA.

Rather than run your mouths on how this should be done, how about volunteering, and doing it.

 

[paulgt2164]

Sad part is - it wouldn't be too hard to implement a social media strategy. The recipe is fairly well known. It just requires the time and legwork of getting local places / people onboard and finding someone who is willing to assist with camera/editing. Production value is more important than many think at grabbing attention - then you need the content to hold it.

If the elderly well intentioned people running things don't get some youth infused and alow them to help and eventually take over, yes the origionazition will die.

Well us “elderly well intentioned” who became used to ordering firearm through the mail and having them shipped to our home, buying machineguns, having shooting ranges at our high schools, having NRA instructors at our grammar schools and high schools, are pretty Phuckin tired of carrying the load and young Fudds running their mouths about how it should be done and not doing s***.

I have written, called, attended meetings, called meetings, done FOIA requests, met with congress people, met with other government officials, supported NRA, AZCDL, GOA.

Rather than run your mouths on how this should be done, how about volunteering, and doing it.

Pretty sure the comments aren't directed at you. If you read the thread, you would have realized you are not who they/we are referring to.Your hostility just at the mention of an age group is part of the issue. Your involvement isn't the norm by a long shot - in any age group - and that is the problem. We need more people (especially those under 40) to be as active as we are. The "old" ways of reaching people don't work anymore.

I am approaching half a century in age - I was on my schools shooting team. I remember shooting at 4H camp and Woodmen of the World camps. I think my first bits of activism were trying to defend those things in front of the school board when they canceled it. There were 30-40 students and less than ten adults that spoke up. I have spoken at public / town meetings, written opinion pieces for publications, taken thousands at this point of "not gun people" to the range to educate them, donated to the good orgs, engaged my elected officials, etc. I have been working on a social media project for the last two years, that I hope will be done enough to go live at the end of this year. The "old guys" aren't the only ones in the "fight" and if you think that, you haven't paid enough attention.

As I referenced, the "old guys" I am referring to are the ones who slap on their NRA bumpersticker and think they have done enough. You have been on here long enough to have seen the "Well, I don't care about bumpstocks so I am not going to bother" and the "It will never pass" mentality - and that is drastically more common within the older age group.

Younger social media influencers (Garand Thumb, Colion Noir, Yoki Sturrup, KY Ballistics, Demo Ranch, etc) have probably brought in 1000x more younger "gun people" than the entirety of two old dude sitting at a table at a gun show or sporting goods store trying to sell NRA or AZCDL memberships in the last ten years. Hell, I will bet that popular video games (CoD, Tarkov, Battlefield) have brought more people under 40 into the gun hobby/lifestyle than the entirety of on-site / event booth/advertising in the last ten years. The trick is to keep these people in the lifestyle and turn them into being activist. The fact so many of these orgs have been stagnant on these platforms is one of the reasons we are "losing." The demographics in both age and race for new gun owners in the last three years have shifted heavily - if those new gun owners are engaged, and brought "into the fold" then we have lost the most important tools we have to combat the slow nibbling away of our rights. The image that "2A" and "gun people" are nothing more than a bunch of 50+ year old white guys is the grabbers favorite weapon. We need to change that.

 

[TheAccountant]

Sad part is - it wouldn't be too hard to implement a social media strategy. The recipe is fairly well known. It just requires the time and legwork of getting local places / people onboard and finding someone who is willing to assist with camera/editing. Production value is more important than many think at grabbing attention - then you need the content to hold it.

If the elderly well intentioned people running things don't get some youth infused and alow them to help and eventually take over, yes the origionazition will die.

Well us “elderly well intentioned” who became used to ordering firearm through the mail and having them shipped to our home, buying machineguns, having shooting ranges at our high schools, having NRA instructors at our grammar schools and high schools, are pretty Phuckin tired of carrying the load and young Fudds running their mouths about how it should be done and not doing s***.

I have written, called, attended meetings, called meetings, done FOIA requests, met with congress people, met with other government officials, supported NRA, AZCDL, GOA.

Rather than run your mouths on how this should be done, how about volunteering, and doing it.

It doesn’t take much for your fudd tourettes to kick in.