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Basher said:
LOL.

Wait, you’re not going to call out violent movies? Boxing? MMA? Rap? Death metal? Comic books? How are these any different?

I believe they have something to do with it. Parenting is going down hill and games, movies,MMA, Rap they are all getting worse with no parental control. At least back when I was growing up parents made an attempt to stop.you from them but now what ever shuts you up seems like a good baby sitter.
 
Bard said:
It's not just video games...They do desensitize people to violence, but so do violent movies. It's also simple lack of human contact. One of the reasons people can be assholes to each other on these boards is because it's not face-to-face. Some of you might talk a big game, but saying s*** to a real person, face to face, is a lot different.

These basement dwelling, anti-social murders have spent their lives looking down at screens and not interacting with real people. They don't have simple empathy, respect or connections to real people. Just look at your kids when they forget they are talking to their friends on the xbox vs talking to dad.

I grew up on westerns and war movies. I had guns, like most of you did, at a very early age. I never, ever contemplated anything like what these people do and neither did most of you. But, we had real friends, spent most of our time in school or outside playing. We weren't spending 8 hours a day staring at the screen, were we out playing "war" or "cowboys and Indians" with real people.


This man gets it—- my thoughts exactly

My wife comes from a big family and at family gatherings I noticed when I would interact with some of the many nieces/nephews ask them about school, ect, I would often get one word replies and appear somewhat anxious that I was engaging them in conversation— now these are the ‘gamers’. Ask them about a new COD game or whatever and then you may see a spark of conversation.

Now not all are like this but seeing the difference in my hardcore gamer nephew and another nephew who is a jock with a cutie GF is day and night.
 
I remember watching shows like the A-Team when I was a kid. Plenty of guns and explosions but no one ever dies. At least it wasn't focused on. Cartoons were violent too but again no death. I do feel that today's kids are exposed to way more graphic imagery and they are losing their innocence because of it.
 
8-10 hours a day, rage music and foul language blasting in the headphones.
No surprise how he will turn out. Here's your next school shooter.

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Doc Holliday said:
8-10 hours a day, rage music and foul language blasting in the headphones.
No surprise how he will turn out. Here's your next school shooter.

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See, while I don’t think gaming in and of itself is the problem, THAT kind of game play (hours upon hours) with the “right” (meaning wrong) kind of people WILL have a negative effect, I think. The majority of my game time is with a small, core group of guys. We enjoy the time together, but most of us are LDS, so foul and hateful language isn’t present, and we’re just in it for a good time. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that kind of thing, IMO.

But yeah, all-day game-a-thons every weekend and every night after homework is going to have an effect to some degree, I’ll buy that. Depends on the individuals mental makeup as well, but perhaps the best way I can say it is that such intense exposure, with the right individual, could have some dire outcomes. The problem is predicting who the “right” individuals are...
 
Basher said:
We enjoy the time together, but most of us are LDS, so foul and hateful language isn’t present,

Just how do you turn that off? I've heard that language in those games, bunch of hardcore stuff that would make a sailor blush...I've always said, those game manufacturers allow you to choose the difficulty levels to play, why not be more responsible and add options for language/cusswords and the music (rage)?? Parents need to be more involved and see/listen to what their kids are playing...no more headphones, put it on speakers and let's all hear what's going on...
 
I'm sorry, but,... just who was it that bought all these electronic baby sitting devices, in the first place,... shame, shame, shaaame!!!

You reap, what you sow!!!
 
shooter444 said:
I'm sorry, but,... just who was it that bought all these electronic baby sitting devices, in the first place,... shame, shame, shaaame!!!

You reap, what you sow!!!

Yea, so I guess all those dead kids at Columbine, etc..deserved it. That makes perfect sense.
 
Doc Holliday said:
shooter444 said:
I'm sorry, but,... just who was it that bought all these electronic baby sitting devices, in the first place,... shame, shame, shaaame!!!

You reap, what you sow!!!

[highlight=yellow]Yea, so I guess all those dead kids at Columbine, etc..deserved it. That makes perfect sense.[/highlight]

Doc, I was referring to how all the youth are zombies on their chosen form of electronic drug,.... NOT commenting on those that go off the rails.

Sooo, I have to say, your reply is just simply, off the wall, and pure outrageous conjecture!!!
 
waterdog said:
nimrag said:
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So you find our current problems with the gov and medias idea of gun control funny or entertaining?

I do not know what your statement has to do with the picture I posted.

The picture I posted is a mockery of the media/people who feel that video games are the sole cause of violence.

Anyhow, I’m off to play some Battlefield V
 
Mauser98 said:
waterdog said:
Mauser98 said:
Video games don't cause violence in real life.
You may be right.

But they are part of a bigger problem that has been pointed out many times here and elsewhere.

My friend lost a live-in girlfriend because he couldn't keep from playing video games 12-16 hours a day. He was surprised when she cheated on him...

the problem is very real. I lost my wife of 21 years to video game addiction. She spent 16-18 hrs per day playing them. Gave up all responsibility and chose to live in her alter universe. As has been said, it's different dealing with someone who has this addiction wrapped in violence. It seriously changed her personality.
 
Pipedoc said:
Mauser98 said:
waterdog said:
You may be right.

But they are part of a bigger problem that has been pointed out many times here and elsewhere.

My friend lost a live-in girlfriend because he couldn't keep from playing video games 12-16 hours a day. He was surprised when she cheated on him...

the problem is very real. I lost my wife of 21 years to video game addiction. She spent 16-18 hrs per day playing them. Gave up all responsibility and chose to live in her alter universe. As has been said, it's different dealing with someone who has this addiction wrapped in violence. It seriously changed her personality.

I'm sorry to hear that. That sucks man.
 
There really is a lot of ok, boomer shit in this thread that I am going to have to dispell.

Here's the news.

Gaming is JUST entertainment that you can interact with and advance a story based on your efforts.

Instead of looking at it as bad, look at it for what it is. See the gameplay. I'll tell you what when I ran through the campaign of the recent CoD my gf was on the edge of her seat and was actually invested into the characters of the story. When i finally made it to the end and finished the story she was like "Man...this is better than most of the stuff on netflix."

The writing in these games is THAT good. A triple A title with full on big named movie actors, score, editing and all that.

Gaming is going to pave the way for interactive movies in the near future.

Games such as Detroit: Become Human which takes place in 2038 and deals with a lot of morality in the rise of sentient AI and defining 'What does it mean to be alive?" is really ambitious. The "game" isn't really even a game but an interactive film in which you influence 8 different characters and all events in the game. It is an amazing noir-esque type film equal parts Minority Report, Blade Runner and Asimov's I, Robot. The ending is all based on your responses and choices to things.

Some of my BEST memories as a kid was playing stuff with my dad. Baseball Stars on NES was amazing for what it was I remember I spent a whole summer with my dad at his house and it was the first time we really hung out. We would go to the diamond and play baseball then come home and play all night. It literally was one of the best summers in my entire life as a kid because I got so much quality time with my dad. Almost 30 years later my dad sent me a pic of a binder he had found while cleaning out his basement where we wrote down all our players stats in the game because it would only save them for the season.

People can sit there and binge watch tv shows for hours on end but some how games are the problem.

Gaming got me into the idea owning guns from playing games like CoD and looking at being solution minded and solving problems from different angles.

Everything in moderation.
 
AZ1182 said:
To be on topic, that CoD game where you had to mow down innocents and cops with a 240 at the airport as a terrorist? It messed with me so much that I stopped and ejected and tossed the disc into the trash along with the plastic case for it. I still like gaming, but not doing morally wrong things like that. Plus I like the real world better so I hardly multi play.

Modern warfare 2 is the one it's in. You are also able to bypass it completely.

The whole point of the mission was the end where they knew that you were a CIA plant and they shoot you and leave you for dead for the Russians to find you bleeding out and gives justification to start WW3.

Playing through that made me think of a lot of things where a lot of the "good" we say we do with our foreign policy is far worse and visceral than that hands down.

I mean how many spooks have we used to promote and encourage others to do things like this?

Our own government tries to goad people into these acts on a consistent basis to justify their existence.
 
Wait confused? I was trying to flex on anyone. I was trying to give insight to people who are unfamiliar to this. Kind of like how Anti gun people are without understanding what they are talking about.
 
Cubiclerevolt said:
Wait confused? I was trying to flex on anyone. I was trying to give insight to people who are unfamiliar to this. Kind of like how Anti gun people are without understanding what they are talking about.

I don’t think you were flexing, I just used his term. I’m with you, games are entertainment. If you can’t separate reality from fiction, that’s an operator error, not a fault of the game.

I love WarZone on the new CoD, and have been gaming since the Doom/Quake days when I was 10 years old, and I still haven’t killed anybody. It ain’t the game...
 
Just a simple addition to my original post #4, on page #1.

I see a lot of similarity between,... folks who think they can prevent video game triggered violence from happening, by blaming the inanimate object,... compared to the movie Minority Report premise of preventing crime by predicting the future illegal acts of individuals!

Or, if you wish,.... blaming gun violence, past, present or future,... on the inanimate gun!

jmo
 
Basher said:
Cubiclerevolt said:
Wait confused? I was trying to flex on anyone. I was trying to give insight to people who are unfamiliar to this. Kind of like how Anti gun people are without understanding what they are talking about.

I don’t think you were flexing, I just used his term. I’m with you, games are entertainment. If you can’t separate reality from fiction, that’s an operator error, not a fault of the game.

I love WarZone on the new CoD, and have been gaming since the Doom/Quake days when I was 10 years old, and I still haven’t killed anybody. It ain’t the game...

This.
 
shooter444 said:
Just a simple addition to my original post #4, on page #1.

I see a lot of similarity between,... folks who think they can prevent video game triggered violence from happening, by blaming the inanimate object,... compared to the movie Minority Report premise of preventing crime by predicting the future illegal acts of individuals!

Or, if you wish,.... blaming gun violence, past, present or future,... on the inanimate gun!

jmo

It's wild, everyone wants the goat to pin their sins on instead of taking responsibility.

I will say that the one factor that, with the exception of one. Every single active shooter did not have a father in the home. However, that father was overly abusive and critical.

Fatherless homes and the destruction of the family dynamic I would say is a common denominator.
 
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