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baja said:
Suck My Glock said:
baja said:
There is no stalemate.

If true (and it isn't), then NATO needs to strike first and right fugging now....

And start World War 3.
Over Ukraine?
Seriously?
Our stake in the war in Ukraine is not about Ukraine itself. It's about preventing Russia from becoming a massive terror again upending the relatively peaceful order the world has attained in large part because of our efforts during the Cold War. Allowing Russia to win in Ukraine is to throw away the last 70 years and all the sacrifices we made during that time.

If you aren't already aware of the stakes, I can't help you.
 
baja said:
And start World War 3.
Over Ukraine?
Seriously?

Yes. Of course. Because appeasement works every time. :roll:

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Suck My Glock said:
baja said:
Suck My Glock said:
If true (and it isn't), then NATO needs to strike first and right fugging now....

And start World War 3.
Over Ukraine?
Seriously?
Our stake in the war in Ukraine is not about Ukraine itself. It's about preventing Russia from becoming a massive terror again upending the relatively peaceful order the world has attained in large part because of our efforts during the Cold War. Allowing Russia to win in Ukraine is to throw away the last 70 years and all the sacrifices we made during that time.

If you aren't already aware of the stakes, I can't help you.

After the Cold War when Russia dissolved the Soviet Union it was agreed (and this part is Important) between NATO and Russia that the newly independent Eastern European countries would be Independent going forward and NATO agreed to those terms. Obviously, NATO lied. Since then every one of these 13 countries, except Ukraine, is now part of NATO. Good or bad, put yourself in Russia's shoes. NATO has violated the terms many, many times.

The eastern about 1/3 of Ukraine is Russian People. They speak Russian, they go to the Russian Orthodox church all now outlawed by Zelensky who for years has persecuted these people! These Russian people Voted to become part of Russia due to this persecution.
So, apparently Russia, 'the terror' in your words after putting up with all the NATO lies for years finally acted to bring the Russian areas of Ukraine into Russia.

Also consider the Ukrainians had elected a President that was friendly with Russia. He was removed by Nato, Globalists, the EU (take your pick) and Zelensky was installed. The same Zelensky that has now canceled elections in Ukraine.

Let's also consider over 40 biolabs in Ukraine near Russia's border.

Or how about the sizable money trafficking in Ukraine, now with Billions of your/our tax dollars virtually none of which is audited!

And if all of that is not enough Russia and Ukraine agreed to peace talks in the very beginning only to have Biden, NATO, etc. absolutely forbid it!

Ask yourself why.

So, If you aren't already aware of this, I can't help you.
 
We could go about this for rounds and rounds,...and this is a gun forum not a political one (mostly). I'll end this by simply reminding you that [highlight=yellow]we asked Ukraine to give up their nukes[/highlight] by PROMISING that we would protect them if they did so. We signed a contract to that end, remember? So did Russia, but of course we know what good their word is. And ours is pretty schitty too, judging by how well folks like you want to crap all over our credibility.

The next time we make some sort of critical promise to a nation in order to avoid nukes getting loose,...what are they gonna do? Think about how America keeps its promises, or laugh in our face over how we abandoned Ukraine after we got from them what we wanted? Yeah, you can schit on our reputation if you like. I choose to not participate in lies that lead to calamities.
 
Suck My Glock said:
We could go about this for rounds and rounds,...and [highlight=yellow]this is a gun forum not a political one (mostly)[/highlight]. I'll end this by simply reminding you that we asked Ukraine to give up their nukes by PROMISING that we would protect them if they did so. We signed a contract to that end, remember? So did Russia, but of course we know what good their word is. And ours is pretty schitty too, judging by how well folks like you want to crap all over our credibility.

The next time we make some sort of critical promise to a nation in order to avoid nukes getting loose,...what are they gonna do? Think about how America keeps its promises, or laugh in our face over how we abandoned Ukraine after we got from them what we wanted? Yeah, you can schit on our reputation if you like. I choose to not participate in lies that lead to calamities.

Ha! Says the guy posting nice boob shots.

Ukraine, do it for the Ghost of Kiev! Remember Snake Island! :lol: All lies
 
Dauph said:
Ha! Says the guy posting nice boob shots.

Ukraine, do it for the Ghost of Kiev! Remember Snake Island! :lol: All lies

Which do you think will get everyone upset and more demands to shut down a thread; boob shots or political arguing?
 
Suck My Glock said:
Dauph said:
Ha! Says the guy posting nice boob shots.

Ukraine, do it for the Ghost of Kiev! Remember Snake Island! :lol: All lies

Which do you think will get everyone upset and more demands to shut down a thread; boob shots or political arguing?

Boob thread has had the Mods more pissed about the postings there.

Sure seems like some here
 

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The End of Ukraine

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/end-ukraine/

"The following was written by a European friend who writes under the name, Observer R and asked me to share it. So here goes.

According to many reports, the population of Ukraine has declined by more than half, from 40+ million to 20- million, with death, injury, and destruction widespread in the country since February 2014. Let’s look at some of the stages where this outcome might have been prevented........."
 
Low Morale Grips Ukrainian Forces as Russians Grow Stronger – Beachhead Across the Dnieper ‘A Suicide Mission’ – Army Chief Zaluzhny’s Office Bugged by either Russia or Zelensky


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/low-morale-grips-ukrainian-forces-as-russians-grow/
 
Looks like the plague (or something like it) has broken out in the Russian lines due to all the rodent infestation.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12885495/Mouse-fever-outbreak-mowing-frontline-Russian-troops-Ukraine.html

...symptoms ranging from 'vomiting and bleeding eyes'

...the disease is a type of streptococcal infection transmitted to humans through direct contact with rodents, or inhaling their feces.

While 'mouse fever' does not appear to be a clinical term, the symptoms listed appeared similar to leptospirosis, also known as rat-bite fever, although it was not immediately clear if this is precisely the same disease...

Pictures of rats 'the size of a Kalashnikov assault rifle' have been shared on social media...

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WAPO removed "War in Ukraine" from its masthead = war over (they'll not say so, they'll just stop talking about/reporting on it).
 
Just read this article, which I thought was interesting.

https://redstate.com/streiff/2023/12/23/us-intelligence-assessment-points-to-the-destruction-of-russias-pre-ukraine-invasion-army-n2167903

Since the beginning of the war Russia has suffered from a staggeringly high number of losses, according to another newly declassified assessment shared with Congress. At the start of the war the Russian army stood at 360,000 troops. Russia has lost 315,000 of those troops, forcing them to recruit and mobilize new recruits and convicts from their prison system.

Moscow’s equipment has also been crushed, according to the assessment. At the start of the war, Russia had 3,500 tanks but has lost 2,200, forcing them to pull 50 year old T-62 tanks from storage.

To be clear, the Russian Armed Forces numbered about 900,000 personnel in all the military services and the paramilitary Rosgvardiya. The 360,000 number reflects the total active duty strength of the Russian Army.

When one considers that the Russian Army that invaded Ukraine numbered about 190,000, the level of wastage is more evident.

The same report estimates that 2,200 of 3,500 modern(ish) tanks and 4,400 of 13,600 infantry fighting vehicles have been destroyed. Like any other assessment, it isn't precise. For instance, the tank number is an underestimate. The site Oryx, which counted, geolocated, and documented lost vehicles and equipment seen in photos and video, cataloged 1,690 destroyed, 191 abandoned, and 546 captured Russian tanks before it closed its doors in October.

Context when evaluating casualties is important. Let's look at the 36th Infantry Division's attempt to force a crossing of the Rapido River from January 20 to 22, 1944. The two-day battle cost the 36th 2,128 casualties: 155 killed, 1.052 wounded, and 921 missing and captured. Two of the three infantry regiments participated in the attack, about 6,000 men. So, on the one hand, the division, which had a strength of about 12,000 men, suffered 16 percent casualties, but the two infantry regiments had 33 percent losses. The fighting was done at the company level. Each infantry regiment had 12 companies of about 190 men (I'm being generous as this is 100 percent strength), meaning that 4,500 men were involved in the attack. The 2,100 casualties represent a minimum of 50 percent losses, meaning the two assault regiments ceased to exist as a combat force.

The impact on the Russian Army goes far beyond the raw numbers. The losses reflect a genocide among Russia's pre-war combat units. The 315,000 estimated casualties are 165 percent of the number of troops that crossed the border on February 24, 2022. Suppose you assume that 70 percent of the Russian Army is assigned to combat units (a number that I'd put on the improbably high side of the spectrum). In that case, the estimated losses represent 142 percent of the combat soldiers in the Russian Army in 2022.

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Russian Forces Take Heavily Fortified Town of Maryinka in Biggest Triumph Since Bakhmut

The year is ending on an upbeat note for the Russian Federation troops that have just conquered the heavily fortified town of Maryinka, in the outskirts of Donetsk city.

This is a major development, the biggest since Moscow troops regained the initiative, and also the greatest achievement since they gained control of Avdiivka (Bakhmut) in May.


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/russian-forces-take-heavily-fortified-town-maryinka-biggest/
 
Russian Forces Take Heavily Fortified Town of Maryinka in Biggest Triumph Since Bakhmut

The year is ending on an upbeat note for the Russian Federation troops that have just conquered the heavily fortified town of Maryinka, in the outskirts of Donetsk city.

This is a major development, the biggest since Moscow troops regained the initiative, and also the greatest achievement since they gained control of Avdiivka (Bakhmut) in May.

By taking Maryinka, the Russians have significantly pushed back the Ukrainian artillery. For years, Kiev used Maryinka as a key launching pad for drone and artillery strikes against civilians in Donetsk.

Putin said control of the town, which was once home to 10,000 people, will allow the Russian forces to move enemy combat units away from Donetsk.

‘Our troops (now) have the opportunity to reach a wider operational area’, he said in a video of the exchange between him and Shoigu posted online by a Kremlin journalist.”

This comes after Ukraine launched a failed counteroffensive aimed at retaking land in the country’s south and east, including Bakhmut.


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/russian-forces-take-heavily-fortified-town-maryinka-biggest/
 
Having burned through most of the pre-existing stockpile of Tula 12.7x108 ammo, and intending to more fully convert over as much as possible to NATO standard weaponry and gear, Ukraine's munitions manufacturing concern, UKROP, is developing manufacturing facilities for the the M2 Browning and .50 BMG ammo, as well as other weapon systems, including some with Rheinmetal.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-developing-new-large-caliber-machine-guns-photos-revealed/ar-AA1mdo3n?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=c6e90246282944329e1979e6a4d401e2&ei=72
 
Hmmm, looks like a lot of the manufacturing facilities, warehouses, airfields and more just got blown up.


"Massive Russian Air Raid – Industrial,
Military and Infrastructure Facilities Hit in Ukraine – 122 Missiles and 24 Drones Used – Was It the Largest of the War?"


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/massive-russian-air-raid-industrial-military-infrastructure-facilities/

Also .....

2023 belonged to Russia.

"Soledar, Bakhmut, Khoromov, Maryinka: The Settlements Conquered by Russians in 2023, as the ‘War of Attrition’ Intensifies"

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/soledar-bakhmut-khoromov-maryinka-settlements-conquered-russians-2023/
 
Remember kids,...all that trigger time trying to shoot down drones at Big Sandy has real world application.


https://twitter.com/intermarium24/status/1742642072090243220
 
Good for them, 1 drone out of 24 and 122 missiles.

One has to feel for the Ukrainian soldiers, they're not in a good place. Too bad they have such a crooked government.

The govt. keeps fighting, not caring about their soldiers, because little Zelensky and others are making bank on the handouts from the taxpayers of other countries,
 
Regardless of how you fell about the war, you can at least take heart in how well engineered our gear is. The Bradley wasn't really designed to take Russian tanks head on. The Abrams had that job, and the Bradleys were just supposed to be able to defend themselves against one or two in a pinch.

But with no choice but to maximize what little we've given them, the Ukies are sending Bradleys in directly against Russian armor and it is tearing azzes up.

https://twitter.com/Feher_Junior/status/1747748553068298504
 
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