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[knockonit]

much like any movement to curtail government misuse, it takes a group of like minded people to make a comment that will be listened to or at least considered, its about numbers, and ideas, we all know the long uphill battle we are in for, PERIOD on anything gun related, and its only going to get worse as far as rights, places to use those rights, Arizona is changing, and its due to the liberals moving here and attempting to destroy it like they have their previous area.
Change is inevitable, but it can be managed to a sort by being involved, conversing to appropriate individuals who ''may'' have an impact.

the disapointing part here is, over 250 views and half dozen comments with maybe a couple two or three possible members who can or will take the time to discuss the issues. the lack of interest is overwhelming for any attempt to stem the regulations, let alone on this issue, but rights in general, kinda expected as we discussed this, hoping that that ''switch'' would turn on and many would see the important stand to take, not only on this issue, but gun rights, AZCDL, needs members, volunteers, and yet, we are still a small group fighting for the many.
Guess the American way will eventually slide by the wayside, as many stand by and hope, and claim others will do the lifting.
Rj,
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[YNOTAZ]

And here is the reason we lose every fight we enter. The idiocy amongst us:

(From another board with the same request for help)

[quote author=waterdog link=topic=32693.msg280137#msg280137 date=1685765502]
I hope you geniuses did your homework. I am going to suggest you guys cover your license plates or ride a bike when attending.
Feds love it when they can get all their ducks in one small pond
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[aroyobob]

I'll meet for brainstorming and with the BLM if I'm in town.
Just an initial idea but since most people want to shoot away from other people and at pistol / near rifle distances the easiest thing to construct, at least initially, would be some number of narrow-ish berm separated 25 yard shooting positions. Like the practical pistol / CCW class ranges at Avery only narrower. Scraped flat to make it easier to use a front loader / bobcat to pick up the inevitable trash that would accumulate. Just bare ground would be fine, most people bring folding tables and pop-up canopies for shade. Maybe port-a-jons to avoid feces accumulation.
There used to be a gun club and range in N. Phx, north east of the transfer station, sorry, can't remember the name of it. I recall that being something like 100-200 yards long (they had High Power shoots periodically,) surrounded by berms with the target end backing up on a gravel operation. That had covered shooting tables but, as above, most people bring their own and simpler would be better.

 

[YNOTAZ]

I'll meet for brainstorming and with the BLM if I'm in town.

please message me with your contact info, text and email.

F Y I.

We've already given BLM a couple priorities,
open the desert they inappropriately close.
make their current ranges more practical for desert shooters.
make their current ranges safer since they are currently unsafe.
do not close additional outdoor shooting areas in the future unless the above

 

[aroyobob]

F Y I.

We've already given BLM a couple priorities,
open the desert they inappropriately close.
make their current ranges more practical for desert shooters.
make their current ranges safer since they are currently unsafe.
do not close additional outdoor shooting areas in the future unless the above

OK, sounds good.

 

[knockonit]

Ca'mon folks, with all the views and not many committments to perhaps assist, amazingly the interest is under whelming, don't get it, don't know if you can change or effect any of it, unless it tried, the lack of interested is surprising, but what does one know.
thanks to those that have added something positive and joined in
Rj

 

[Doc]

Perhaps a dinner is in order?

 

[knockonit]

https://www.blm.gov/press-release/blm-implements-seasonal-fire-restrictions-central-arizona-due-increased-fire-risk

 

[thom]

I'm interested, even though I rarely shoot outside anymore.

 

[Ballistic Therapy]

I haven't responded because I really don't know what I could add.
Other than shooting trap and skeet , the only times I have been to an established shooting range was in the military and that was over 40 years ago. Other than that , I have never fired a pistol or rifle at an established shooting range in my life.
So other than just a body , what could I add ?

 

[rockbronco]

https://www.blm.gov/press-release/blm-implements-seasonal-fire-restrictions-central-arizona-due-increased-fire-risk

I was wondering if the fire restrictions would also restrict use at the blm ranges, while they made these "safe" they apparently are not safe during fire season :roll:

 

[brandyspaw]

PM sent. Lets get more people involved on this!

 

[YNOTAZ]

This is my opinion on what shooters can add and I'm giving it with full knowledge that opinions are like A-Holes everyone has one.

This will be a brainstorming session with 2 major points.

1 for those that have gone to the BLM ranges what need improvement for safety and functionality for you. We all don't shoot the same stuff or in the same way so we don't have the same needs.

2 reopen desert shooting areas because the formal ranges no matter how informal cannot meet the needs of recreational desert shooters.

This is our current status:

I’m happy to report that we have a total of 17 people who are interested in attending and participating in a meeting to:

- Comment on issues involving the current BLM shooting ranges on the West side
- Reopening of desert shooting areas

The goal is to create a list of items that the BLM can improve on their current ranges and a list of how/why the current ranges cannot meet the desires of recreational desert shooters.

We have no guarantee that anything will come of this but comments from Me & RJ got three shooting benches installed at Church Camp, and ground-cover fuel cleared at Baldy Mountain. Our hope is that diverse input from this meeting will get results from BLM.

There is still time to get in and participate.

 

[xerts1191]

Good job YNOT

 

[knockonit]

this is moving along, rather slow, and with underwhelming involvement, this effects all who shoot on ''so called public land) meaning BLM not state land.
anyways, we have a few vids and points to put together and a comment on meeting possible dates to discuss prior to meeting with BLM, they have committed to provide space, intermediary to direct meeting and BLM members so we might address items as we discuss. and get feed back on possible avenues to move forward
discussion is good.
thanks to all who have contributed now and in future
R