Jager is perfectly fine to act as he sees fit. Honestly, while I agree with Flash that there is nothing to fear, neither can I be harsh on anyone having a little bit of paranoia in the current environment. There's no need to really argue here. Jager can sell or not sell to whomever he pleases. There are plenty of other folks who won't care either way, and the Californian's will eventually find and buy from them.
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Just to be clear - I knowingly will not, that is my prerogative.
FWIW https://caligunner.com/california-ammunition-laws/:
Can I buy Ammo out of State and Bring it Back In?
The law says the following, “Commencing January 1, 2018, a resident of California shall not bring or transport into the state any ammunition that he or she purchased or otherwise obtained from outside of this state unless he or she first has that ammunition delivered to a licensed ammunition vendor for delivery to that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in Section 30312.”
You are free to purchase ammo in other states as long as you do not bring it back with you. First-time violations will be infractions, after that its a misdemeanor.
The only caveat is that with an FFL03 and COE (as described in the section above) you may purchase ammunition out of state and bring it back legally.
FWIW https://caligunner.com/california-ammunition-laws/:
Can I buy Ammo out of State and Bring it Back In?
The law says the following, “Commencing January 1, 2018, a resident of California shall not bring or transport into the state any ammunition that he or she purchased or otherwise obtained from outside of this state unless he or she first has that ammunition delivered to a licensed ammunition vendor for delivery to that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in Section 30312.”
You are free to purchase ammo in other states as long as you do not bring it back with you. First-time violations will be infractions, after that its a misdemeanor.
The only caveat is that with an FFL03 and COE (as described in the section above) you may purchase ammunition out of state and bring it back legally.
AZ1182 said:
That is true with some people. I was pointing out that on GunBroker there are FFL holders that won't ship ammo to Ca because of Ca law.
The same law could be used against a private person who knowingly sells ammo to a person who lives in Ca. You are part of the chain that illegally supplied ammo to a person who is willfully circumventing the law. Does not matter if UPS drives it across state lines or if Joe from the internet drives it across, Ca will most likely go after the seller as well. No different than when aftermarket auto parts were not/ are not CARB compliant. Ca went after those sellers as well.
Simple Google search yielded this:
You can do whatever you choose.
My point was to simply warn people here of the potential consequences.
Once upon a time, in a previous version of AzShooting, such commentary was welcome. It seems now people aren't interested in being warned of potential dangers and attack those that provide the warnings.
SecretV said:
Has nothing to do with the question at hand on selling ammo to someone from Cali. As I said before, if you manufacture ammo with the intent to sell, you need a FFL. If you manufacture ammo with decommissioned armor piercing rounds with the intent to sell you need a FFL. This man did both and did not have a FFL.
Also to the comments about selling to Cali people here, You can do what You want, or refuse to do- but my point has been that you can't say they'll be 'person's of interest' or 'part of the investigation' when in fact they aren't going to be because no crime was ever committed (or turn around and say you didn't say it was illegal- then why did you state the person could become a person of interest if no crime was committed.......). If you mail the ammo to someone in Cali, that may or may not result in some issues, assuming you mail it directly to the individual and not to a dealer. It could be said you violated the Full Faith and Credit Clause.
God this reminds me so much of the barracks room attorneys who like to publicly pontificate about using handloads for self-defense ammo. Even though they've been carried, and used, for probably more than 100 years, there's always that one guy who screams- 'They'll sue you!!! You'll go to jail!!! This is a prosecuting attorney's dream!!!!'. Then when you ask Chicken Little for any such case, again in over 100 years, well... zilch. Stop scaring people. You don't want to sell some ammo to someone from Cali you don't have to. If someone is going to offer me $50 for a box of 50 124gr steel cased Blazer here, in AZ, that's on them to know their state laws when they bring the box back. Last I checked Cabellas isn't asking for ID to buy standard capacity AR and Glock mags simply due to the fact they are smart enough to know it's not a damn crime on their end.
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I just require a AZDL and CCW for any private sales and am willing to wait for a qualified buyer.
It's not great if you're in a hurry, but it's a simple foundation I can apply to all firearms-related sales without getting into the weeds on how people feel about Californian refugees or non-CCW holders.
It's not great if you're in a hurry, but it's a simple foundation I can apply to all firearms-related sales without getting into the weeds on how people feel about Californian refugees or non-CCW holders.
Java Junkie said:
I'm in agreement with this. However in regards to my last post someone wanted an example and that was an example of an out of state purchase of ammunition that resulted in prosecution. I'm not a lawyer, a fedboi, or local pd. From a layman's perspective that seemed pretty similar to me. I personally don't think that an exception like that should make the 'rule'. I've never really been concerned about ammo sales because I don't have surplus to sell. If someone wants to feel better about a sale by asking me to show ID and/or ccw. I'm not gonna care either. If they want more than that I'd probably say no more out of laziness than outrage unless the deal was worth my inconvenience.
I am not sure I get the dilemma. Seems perhaps some of you are putting yourself in a position no one asked you to take.
I'm not going to get in a big argument over it because as I have mentioned in other threads ... It's your stuff sell it how and for how much you please
But
There is no requirement in Arizona when selling some of your personal ammo stash to vette the potential buyer short of ascertaining whether the person is 18.
California's laws are specific to California and are not federally mandated.
Why live in a free state with all it has to offer and then chain yourself to the unjust, prohibitive and possibly illegal laws of another state?
No one has decreed that you need to check license plates, check someone's DL or ask for three months of utility bills to prove residency so .... Why do it?
The vegas shooter and how he aquired his ammo and from whom is very different than most of us meeting at circle k to make a deal.
I think you might be doing the antigunners a favor by volunteering to be a hall monitor when no one asked or ordered you to do so but ... As always... to each their own.
I'm not going to get in a big argument over it because as I have mentioned in other threads ... It's your stuff sell it how and for how much you please
But
There is no requirement in Arizona when selling some of your personal ammo stash to vette the potential buyer short of ascertaining whether the person is 18.
California's laws are specific to California and are not federally mandated.
Why live in a free state with all it has to offer and then chain yourself to the unjust, prohibitive and possibly illegal laws of another state?
No one has decreed that you need to check license plates, check someone's DL or ask for three months of utility bills to prove residency so .... Why do it?
The vegas shooter and how he aquired his ammo and from whom is very different than most of us meeting at circle k to make a deal.
I think you might be doing the antigunners a favor by volunteering to be a hall monitor when no one asked or ordered you to do so but ... As always... to each their own.
Was looking for a used chronograph. Looked on Facebook Marketplace and found one affordably,...but it was in California. I messaged the guy and asked if he would consider shipping it to Arizona. Got a response back that they'll be out here looking for a house this weekend because they are fleeing,...so he could deliver it in person.
What a cool way to meet the gun-owning refugees! :flags-usa:
What a cool way to meet the gun-owning refugees! :flags-usa:
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If they have a Biden yard sign then yes
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