This is why we can’t have nice things

[Joe_Blacke]

Tonto NF lifted the firearm restrictions. Went out today to get some trigger time to find out ALL the shooting spots were tapped off by the forest service. It’s not a fire restriction…. It is a complete closure. No entry. Period.

Apparently, right after the fire restrictions were lifted, someone decided to shoot an explosive target and started a fire.

Although the closure is temporary, if may get extended if we don’t get more rain and drop the fire danger. This kind of stuff will also get the forest closed to shooting for good.

Trash shooters, and illegal target shooters is going to wreck this for everyone.

 

[omegaman]

I would bet it was tracer of some other round like dragon breath.

 

[AZHTfreak]

I believe the chemical result of an ammonal (tannerite) explosion is H2O (water) & maybe some NO2 (nitrogen dioxide). Am I missing something? How exactly will this start a fire?

 

[Winmagbill]

I believe the chemical result of an ammonal (tannerite) explosion is H2O (water) & maybe some NO2 (nitrogen dioxide). Am I missing something? How exactly will this start a fire?

No at a chemist but apparently it can. From Wikipedia;

The United States Forest Service in 2013 banned explosive targets on its property in five different states (Colorado, Wyoming, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas) due to the targets igniting 16 fires on Forest Service lands, which cost more than $33 million in order to extinguish the fires.

On April 23, 2017, Dennis Dickey, an off-duty U.S. Border Patrol agent, shot a Tannerite target in a gender reveal celebration on state trust land south of Tucson, Arizona, which accidentally ignited the nearby dry brush and started a 46,000-acre (19,000 ha) fire known as the Sawmill Fire. At the time, winds were gusting up to 40 miles per hour (60 km/h) and the National Weather Service had issued a fire watch in the area. By the time the wildfire was mostly contained one week later, it had jumped over the Santa Rita Mountains and crossed State Route 83, spreading into the historic Empire Ranch and the surrounding 42,000-acre (17,000 ha) Las Cienegas National Conservation Area. The estimated damage caused by the blaze was $8.19 million.[28] Dickey pleaded guilty in September 2018 to a misdemeanor violation of U.S. Forest Service regulations and was sentenced to five years' probation. He also was ordered to pay restitution, with an initial payment of $100,000 (taken from his retirement fund) and monthly payments of $500 per month thereafter for 20 years unless his income changes significantly.[29] The payments will total $220,000 over the 20 years, after which the case will return to a judge to make a decision about future restitution.[30] The eventual restitution payments could hypothetically be up to $8,188,069.

 

[Joe_Blacke]

I believe the chemical result of an ammonal (tannerite) explosion is H2O (water) & maybe some NO2 (nitrogen dioxide). Am I missing something? How exactly will this start a fire?

The chemical exchange put off heat. Fire only needs heat/oxygen/fuel. Two of the three is always present, and the explosion provides the 3rd.

 

[QuangTri]

The chemical exchange put off heat. Fire only needs heat/oxygen/fuel. Two of the three is always present, and the explosion provides the 3rd.

You would be correct.

 

[blasternaz]

One thing we've noticed, in over 20 years of holding MG shoots with much tracer fire and explosions, is that the explosions rarely cause a fire. Byproducts of the explosions and remaining tracer compound cause fires. And the dayum flares everybody seems to pop off. Tannerite, or the many copies of Daniel's formulation, are based on Ammonium nitrate with an accelerant, such as powdered aluminum. Ammonium nitrate is known as a blasting agent, not a "high" explosive, and as such, is usually not consumed completely when detonated. Given the dry conditions of the southwest, this can be a problem. When employed following a "hold my beer" moment, chaos can ensue....

 

[smithers599]

I always have a small fire extinguisher in my car. On the rare occasions when I shoot in the desert, I bring an extra from the house, and put them out on the table with my shooting gear (and the trauma kit). Wouldn't stop a big fire, but possible could keep a little fire from turning into a big fire.

 

[Doc]

Isn’t the big sandy shoot soon?

I always like seeing the follow up videos.

 

[blasternaz]

20th anniversary shoot is this weekend, 24-27th. Come on up! The night shoots should be fun, given our twisted ideas of fun.... VBG!