The state of primer availability - 2023

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Cmoor said:
truthfully small gun shops in small towns have a very difficult time making any real profit because of the online sales. Online gun sellers are able to make big purchases and sell in volume to make their money while taking advantage of local shops who receive those guns for a local buyer. Some buyers like to justify this by saying they buy other stuff at those shops if this is you then great. The reality is 90% of those online gun buyers never buy anything else when they pick up the gun or at any other time either.

Ok sorry off topic rant off... lol

I don't know you and I don't know your shop so its not directed at you specifically but .. I am a LOYAL sucker for good/great customer service. I come from a place where the norm were mom and pop shops. No faceless malls with transient teen employees.

You went to the same small shops all the time because they were a friendly face, they knew what you ordered, you shared some pleasantries and so on. They were neighborhood shops.

Here in AZ I went to the same FFL for years for gun pickups even after they raised their prices twice just because they were a pleasure to work with and you walked in to a smile, a hello and some chit chat.

My personal experience with gun shops so far in AZ is .. customer service and a friendly face is rare. Seems to be the industry. So ... long way of saying .. if a shop had pleasant great customer service and the buying experience was overwhelmingly positive I would gladly pay more for it.

I will say .. my last 2 guns were purchased at Teds shooting range and it was great. Hence.. if I can I will use them again for in store gun purchases and do check their inventory first when thinking about a new gun. They cant carry everything but if they do have something I am looking at I intend to use them first .. even if its a little more expensive to do so.
 
[mention]Boriqua[/mention] I agree I have always been the same. Customer service and a knowledgeable staff is very important. I am a one man shop and I make it a point to speak to everyone who comes into our shop. I hope my criticism of online buyers does not make you think I treat them in a bad way. Every single person who comes into the store deserves the best possible treatment including online buyers. I am humbled by the two comments [mention]BigNate[/mention] and [mention]brandonsmash[/mention] gave me.

I not sure how good my gun knowledge is, because we can always learn more. In my past life (younger years) I did custom pistol smith work in the 80's I also worked for Knights Armament Corp and did CAD design and programing for a couple SOT's on AR's and other NFA items. I enjoy hunting, reloading, target shooting long range shooting NFA stuff and just hanging out and talking with other people interested in the sport.

If you are ever in Wickenburg stop into Buffalo guns and ammo and say hello.
 
I'll echo what [mention]Boriqua[/mention] says above - with a bit of qualification - and that qualification aligns with some of what [mention]Cmoor[/mention] is experiencing as a small gun shop. I used to buy bulk ammo at UN Ammo in phoenix - because I could get bulk / surplus stuff at about the same price that I could get it on line. Since they've gone away I've been resorting to buying on-line.

What Cmoor represents is a reality - particularly on stuff like ammo or primers. The small business guy is really at a disadvantage - because retail costs a lot. Floor space is limited and they have to figure out how to make money on the stuff on the floor. Most probably can't afford to buy in $1,000,000 chunks necessary to make money on the rounds at the seriously discounted price that the internet can offer - and the ones who can seem to be able to sell at the higher price anyway. I recently bought a brick (1000 rounds) of factory 5.56 on line. It cost me about $0.45/round - to my door (after tax etc.). A week or two later I saw the exact same ammo "on sale" at a LGS for about $0.80/round (for a 20 round box) which would have been about $0.87/round after tax. They had a pallet of it - so they had bought a pretty good sized lot (and I'd like to think paid less per round for it than I did for my 1000 rounds). I asked if they'd offer a price break if I wanted to buy by the 1000. They said no. I'd be happy to pay a few cents more to have bulk ammo available locally - but I'm not willing to pay almost twice as much to buy local - it does not make sense. I was back in there a couple of weeks later and the pallet was gone - so it looks like there were buyers.

On the other hand - knowledge, "shooting the breeze," relationship is valuable. From my house Cmoor's shop on the south side of Wickenburg is closer to my house than things in Mesa - and based on my first trip up there to have him look at a gun that I bought - I'll be driving back up there in the future - and when I drive through Wickenburg I'll be stopping in to say hi - and impulse purchases may happen. Small shops are at a disadvantage to the big on-line shops - but they have the advantage of local knowledge and relationship. That stuff is certainly worth a few bucks.

At the end of the day - I'm willing to pay "a bit more" to buy local (and it's absolutely worth it - to have access to local knowledge) - but for more commodity type stuff (ammo / primers) where the on-line stores can move so much more volume that they can make money selling much closer to wholesale prices - the difference is to great to overcome (for me anyway).
 
Just got an "in stock" notice for small and large primers from Midway. $93 before shipping and Hazmat. I paid about the same from Midsouth Shooting recently so the new online price is about $90-$95. Its the most expensive I have seen them for yet and I have been buying sporadically all through the drought.
 
I was lucky two years ago ran across a old guy at a yard sale who was willing to part with his stash. Just finished using up the primers sold by FedMart and Western Auto at .45 to .65 a tray! He was was thinking they were too old to use. I believe I have gone through around 5-6k rounds loaded with these and not a failure yet. Hate to imagine what the prices will be like when I do run out.
 

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jrleen said:
I was lucky two years ago ran across a old guy at a yard sale who was willing to part with his stash. Just finished using up the primers sold by FedMart and Western Auto at .45 to .65 a tray! He was was thinking they were too old to use. I believe I have gone through around 5-6k rounds loaded with these and not a failure yet. Hate to imagine what the prices will be like when I do run out.

I lucked out about 15 years ago during the first Obama primer panic. Some dude was selling off his uncle's former stock from a pawn shop they had closed 30 years ago. (45 years ago, now.) All this powder and primers and cast bullets and other stuff had been sitting out in a metal shed all that time.

I had bought old powder and primers before and knew they were likely still perfectly fine as long they never got wet. But being the negotiator I am, I hemmed and hawed and wondered out loud how good they still were after all that time,...then made a ridiculous offer of about 20% of what current prices were then. He went for it, and I was using up all that product for years. I think I didn't finally run out of those primers until 2016. I still have a little bit of the magnum pistol powder. It all went bang.
 
jrleen said:
I was lucky two years ago ran across a old guy at a yard sale who was willing to part with his stash. Just finished using up the primers sold by FedMart and Western Auto at .45 to .65 a tray! He was was thinking they were too old to use. I believe I have gone through around 5-6k rounds loaded with these and not a failure yet. Hate to imagine what the prices will be like when I do run out.

Good ol' Smitty's!

Did you happen to get something done by Ecco Machine recently?
 
Jack Dupp said:
jrleen said:
I was lucky two years ago ran across a old guy at a yard sale who was willing to part with his stash. Just finished using up the primers sold by FedMart and Western Auto at .45 to .65 a tray! He was was thinking they were too old to use. I believe I have gone through around 5-6k rounds loaded with these and not a failure yet. Hate to imagine what the prices will be like when I do run out.

Good ol' Smitty's!

Did you happen to get something done by Ecco Machine recently?

ECCO?

you mean big sexy?
 
FWIW, I shoot competitively and doing about 500-1000 rounds per week. I tried the Ginex Bosnian primers and have not had a single issue with the SPP in a CZ75 and G34. If you buy 5k, they are $65/k to your door. I'm saving my Feds/Winchesters for now.
 
flyinverted said:
FWIW, I shoot competitively and doing about 500-1000 rounds per week. I tried the Ginex Bosnian primers and have not had a single issue with the SPP in a CZ75 and G34. If you buy 5k, they are $65/k to your door. I'm saving my Feds/Winchesters for now.

Where you loading with a progressive machine, like a Dillon 650? I had a friend try them and said he had trouble with them feeding and or seating with some out of each 100.
 
superduty38 said:
flyinverted said:
FWIW, I shoot competitively and doing about 500-1000 rounds per week. I tried the Ginex Bosnian primers and have not had a single issue with the SPP in a CZ75 and G34. If you buy 5k, they are $65/k to your door. I'm saving my Feds/Winchesters for now.

Where you loading with a progressive machine, like a Dillon 650? I had a friend try them and said he had trouble with them feeding and or seating with some out of each 100.

The 650 is notorious for its poorly designed primer system, with more than a few detonations when crushing primers during the seating process. This is why Dillon redesigned it with the same priming system as in their 550 and discontinued the 650, relabelling the new design as the 750. And those issues occurred with CCI, Winchester, Federal and Remington primers. So occasional problems in a 650 means absolutely nothing.
 
Yes I load with a 650. I'm about 30K rounds into it so far and never a detonation. I have had some sideways and crushed primers in the past. You need to keep her clean and she runs like a top. I HATED the primer system in my 550 and that's why I went with the 650.
 
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