The New Normal?

[Pale Rider]

Just out of curiosity, I went on 5 different online sites like Midway, Midsouth, etc a few minutes ago. Primers, nothing; powder nothing (except for a few black powder types). I mean NOTHING available. This is the WORST I've ever seen it in my over 6 decades on this f**king planet. Unless you have enough components to last the rest of your life, you're probably screwed. With all the elections rigged forever now, we'll never see another Republican President or (House or Senate majority); so good luck.

 

[High Standard]

I have not had much of a problem finding powder up until now. I just checked my usual online sources and they are pretty much out of everything. So you are right it looks like powder is going to be at a premium for a while as well.

Primers are pretty much gone unless you are willing to spend $70+ per 1,000. There is one LGS here that still has a couple of boxes of LR Primers but they want $70 or $80 for them. I don’t need LR that bad.

 

[Boriqua]

Damn... Powder was good until a couple weeks ago. I have some but was banking on powder being available and having the other components I needed.

I dont agree that we wont see another republican and honestly could care less if we see one in the white house. Think local and vote local. So long as the house and senate go "R" I can sleep like a baby and I think we already started to see it go that direction at this last election .. until some a$$hole opened his mouth we would have had Georgia and life would have returned to "our" normal already.

 

[smithers599]

I agree. Whatever ammo and components we have now are all we will ever have for the rest of our lives. The manufacturers are saying the shortage won't ease until late this year. I disagree. They may refill their supply chain by late this year, but by then, it will be illegal to buy ammo online, or buy it without a background check or special license, or buy more than 50 rounds per month, or buy it without paying a tax that makes it unaffordable. The Dems will come up with some law or laws to shut us down forever.

Any Republican running for any office at any level will be classified as a white supremacist/domestic terrorist and not allowed to post on social media, and will not be allowed to advertise on TV or radio because Hate Speech.

Terrorists will be prohibited possessors, and anybody who owns a gun will be classified as a terrorist.

Conserve what you have.

 

[Suck My Glock]

Many were waiting for Trump to somehow defeat the fraud. Now that its over and people realize the next 4 years are under siege, they finally gave in and went and started buying despite the crazy prices,...eating up what little supply there has been.

I was at Bruno's yesterday, and they have been really good at keeping stuff in stock despite the craziness. The prices have kept going up, because wherever they have been sourcing, the prices there have been climbing too. But they have at least always had powder. And they still do,...but not nearly as much or nearly the selection as just last month.

I think when I hit that MegaMillions jackpot, I'm gonna start a primer manufacturing facility,...even if it never is profitable,...just to alleviate this crap from happening in the future.

 

[Harley66]

Age 70, just took a look, Good to go for several years, Easy

Thanks Joe

 

[samnev]

Just out of curiosity, I went on 5 different online sites like Midway, Midsouth, etc a few minutes ago. Primers, nothing; powder nothing (except for a few black powder types). I mean NOTHING available. This is the WORST I've ever seen it in my over 6 decades on this f**king planet. Unless you have enough components to last the rest of your life, you're probably screwed. With all the elections rigged forever now, we'll never see another Republican President or (House or Senate majority); so good luck.

I did the same search plus Natchez with the same results. At least for what my needs were.

 

[Old Jeff H]

Even though I have everything I need, I've gotten in the habit of checking several suppliers on a daily basis. There's no powder, and no primers. Even bullets are getting scarce, and price increases on those are happening fast.

The only reloading related thing I'm doing these days is brass prep. To me components are a fairly valuable commodity, and it seems prudent to keep the bulk of it in its raw state.

I predict magazines are gonna be the next thing to start disappearing.

 

[ChristopherRobin]

I was considering selling some extra ammo and primers since the prices are so crazy, but I'm starting to reconsider since some of you guys might be right about it not getting any better or even worse. I mean, we have seen this before not too long ago and I was worried it would never get better, but it did. Of course the political climate at the time was only bad, not completely clown-world insane.

 

[Suck My Glock]

Try to find a lead furnace for casting your own bullets right now. Unobtainable!

 

[Old Jeff H]

Try to find a lead furnace for casting your own bullets right now. Unobtainable!

Well that figures. My water heater blew last July and it completely swamped my Lee. Still have the little Hot Pot though if I really needed to cast.

 

[Packer]

I'm not convinced that what we are currently experiencing is the New Normal. I realize ammunition, powder and primers are almost non-existent for high demand calibers. But, there are currently no laws regarding their manufacture and sale. Surely more weapon sales have driven up significant demand and who, among longtime active shoots did not buy and store a significant quantity for the dry spell we all knew was coming? Now panic buying. Everyone wants product and will buy what ever is available without considering that others would like a bit as well. Much like toilet paper six months age. We were forced, by buying limits, to make do with small purchases and now production has recovered. If our new government, anti-gun as it is, does not intervene with illegal legislation , US and foreign ammo, powder and primer manufacturing can surely recover and outpace demand. This may take time and some will do without for possibly months unless they are willing to pay outrageous GunBroker prices. I have been around for far too many rodeos to believe the sky has to be falling. This shortage is a heck of an opportunity for the ammo and reloading component industry to make a killing and I am sure they will. Is't capitalism great?

 

[rbt50]

well i am 72 and i got enough to last the rest of my life.

 

[Old Jeff H]

I had was in the area and had some time in between inspections this morning so I stopped by Cabela's to see if they had any aluminum AR mags. They must have received a large shipment of ammo because there was a line inside the store about 150 people deep. I overheard an employee shouting to everyone that there was a 5 box limit.

 

[Bullzaye]

I overheard an employee shouting to everyone that there was a 5 box limit.

Unless you have a Cabela's Club Card (Master Card), and then the limit is 8 boxes.

 

[Boriqua]

Funny, a thread on the sig forum recently got some new comments. Check out the date on the first few posts

https://www.sigtalk.com/threads/9mm-what-is-a-reasonable-cost-per-round-now.6679/

 

[Pale Rider]

Probably part of the problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-G_nH47Y0o

 

[338lapua]

Big part of the problem is lack of manufacturing capacity. Add to this a million new shooters ever mass shooting event and no increase in capacity and this is what you get. Also add the fact we have a thousand different calibers with multiple bullet weights and then companies that make ammo have to constantly retool to make this round and that round there is the rest of the damn problem.

Another part of the problem is there are not many companies that make primers or powder for that matter. Obama pretty much shut down new lead smelting in the US and Trump didn't fix it. Opening a new production line can run tens of millions and most ammo companies that so many shooters worship could give two shits about their customers.

Companies like brownells and midway who should have stayed the f*** out of the component selling business are now supplying the gun broker gougers. Manufacturers should sell direct to a few companies in each state and keep it out of the hands of the gougers.

This time around the midwyays and brownells of the world have completely ignored the europeon supply chain like Unis Ginex, Fiochi and CBC from the south for primers. These suppliers want money when you order and most of the reseller piecesofshit i mentioned probably run on net 30 from American suppliers. I have no problem going to the world market and getting primers shipped the the US but I put cash money out for them, I do not do net anything it is cash only.

Primers are still cheap, the dumbasses that helped the Midways and Brownells of the world build their empire are the reason as you gave them the buying power and your local supplier is suffering. Doing a mass primer or powder buy? Go direct to manufacturer or get a local company in on the deal and keep it local. Our local suppliers used to buy direct now they buy from middlemen. It is getting so bad it is becoming a national security issue.