I disagree with any organization publishing a policy like this. I disagree that Latter Day Saints are anti gun. I grew up LDS(Not Active Anymore) and all of the LDS members i know are pro 2a. The idea is similar to no gun signs anywhere i go. Just ignore it because i'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. But when i saw this i was actually shocked and i don't buy the liability thing. This was a mistake by the leaders up in Salt Lake in my opinion. The large portion of the membership will follow this blindly but there will be dissenters. Truth is this was a fix for a problem that did not exist. Typical over reaction to one bad incident that happened in Nevada with a crazy. Guess what he was still gonna have a gun regardless of the rule. Just another reason to shy away from any soft targets when you can.
The Mormon plan for active shooters
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shooter444
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For quite some time in my early life, I studied and joined many religions. I was a Later Day Saint for a little over six and a half years, both in Santa Fe, NM and Frisco, Co.
Of all the religions I studied and joined, the Mormons are BY FAR the most pro 2nd Amendment and the most, ultimate, disaster prepared, of any !!!
Anyone making a comment to the contrary of this fact, doesn't know of what they speak. More than likely, they are just regurgitating the programmed religious bias of their family, or friends,... or, worse yet,... just parroting what they read on the internet.
Very refreshing to see that the majority of posts are by members who know of what they speak.
Of all the religions I studied and joined, the Mormons are BY FAR the most pro 2nd Amendment and the most, ultimate, disaster prepared, of any !!!
Anyone making a comment to the contrary of this fact, doesn't know of what they speak. More than likely, they are just regurgitating the programmed religious bias of their family, or friends,... or, worse yet,... just parroting what they read on the internet.
Very refreshing to see that the majority of posts are by members who know of what they speak.
Yeah, “Mormon” here. Anti-2A members of the LDS faith are probably the exception rather than the rule.
There’s a core group of guys I’m involved with, a few of which are members here or were members of the old site. All of us are pretty pissed about this new policy, and are discussing how to handle it.
But yeah, if you think most Mormons are anti-, you’ve either somehow met a pretty small subgroup of our membership, or they’ve got amazing opsec and have you fooled hardcore.
There’s a core group of guys I’m involved with, a few of which are members here or were members of the old site. All of us are pretty pissed about this new policy, and are discussing how to handle it.
But yeah, if you think most Mormons are anti-, you’ve either somehow met a pretty small subgroup of our membership, or they’ve got amazing opsec and have you fooled hardcore.
I agree that most Mormons are pro-2A. The significance of the story, IMO, is that the "leaders" are out of touch with the people they are supposed to be leading. Look behind you, guys -- ain't nobody following!
I went to Nyle Leatham's funeral, and as I looked around the room, I thought it might be the most well-armed gathering in the world at that moment.
I went to Nyle Leatham's funeral, and as I looked around the room, I thought it might be the most well-armed gathering in the world at that moment.
My maternal grandfather was a Stake President and I was raised in the Mormon church until I was 11. Never baptized, but I've been around it a lot.
No, the majority aren't anti gun at all. Pretty much the opposite. I will say that they take care of their own better than any other religion I've ever known.
When my Father died, the ladies' auxiliary came around every day with enough food to feed everyone there, around a dozen people. He was an atheist and they knew it. When my mother died, the ladies came around again even though no one was left in the house who was Mormon and they knew that too, but it didn't stop them from feeding the heathens that were left.
Good people.
No, the majority aren't anti gun at all. Pretty much the opposite. I will say that they take care of their own better than any other religion I've ever known.
When my Father died, the ladies' auxiliary came around every day with enough food to feed everyone there, around a dozen people. He was an atheist and they knew it. When my mother died, the ladies came around again even though no one was left in the house who was Mormon and they knew that too, but it didn't stop them from feeding the heathens that were left.
Good people.
storage_man
Member
Well I really have only known 1 or 2 real devout Mormons. Both were great people. But I do remember one of them was my boss at my first job here in Arizona, I invited him and a bunch of other co-workers over to the house to watch MNF (Beer & Pizza were to be served). I was concerned, but another guy that also worked for him said "No Problem".
He did his share in making sure my Refrigerator was bare at the end of the game !
He did his share in making sure my Refrigerator was bare at the end of the game !
Very active "Mormon" here. And I am not happy about this to say the least. I carry at church and always have. Many people know I do. Often I get asked, "So what are you carrying this week"?There are two choices, ignore the policy and carry and go to church. Or stop going. To be decided....
There is no way an active Mormon who has a firm testimony would stop going to church because of a minor legal policy change that has absolutely nothing to do with LDS doctrine. Just sayin'...
shooter444
Member
One of the greatest lessons I learned from the LDS Church is that our greatest gift/right, endowed upon us by our creator, is FREE CHOICE!
I am sure the brothers and sisters will work this conflict out, in due time.
I am sure the brothers and sisters will work this conflict out, in due time.
Unless a Mormon wore a scarlet "M" I wouldn't know one. I don't generally ask people their religious fidelity. Really never even heard of them until I moved out here.
So no Mormon Bashing from me.
I agree with whoever it was that posted this is about Insurance. Having said that ..This resonates with me
“Churches are dedicated for the worship of God and as havens from the cares and concerns of the world,”
In a perfect world it would be the one place you go for a couple/few hours a week to celebrate your Prophet, god, whoever and not think about hate and who is in office and who shouldn't be, that guy you hate at work and more importantly about what sick fukers are doing with guns and the fact that you have to be ever vigilant because someone wants to become internet famous.
Unfortunately by banning guns publicly you have made yourself a target so the only answer would be armed security out front with metal detectors, possibly pat downs and a very clear schedule for services that doesn't waiver. Doors will be locked at 10am and if you aren't inside you are out of luck.
Then behind locked doors safely penned you can commune with people of your ilk without the cares and concerns of the outside world.
Only problem is .. its hard to forget the outside world or to enjoy your service after having been frisked, made to take off your jewelry and belt and if your 10 minutes late you don't get to go in.
I do like the sentiment ... Unfortunately, and its a bummer sometimes ideas have to change with the times.
So no Mormon Bashing from me.
I agree with whoever it was that posted this is about Insurance. Having said that ..This resonates with me
“Churches are dedicated for the worship of God and as havens from the cares and concerns of the world,”
In a perfect world it would be the one place you go for a couple/few hours a week to celebrate your Prophet, god, whoever and not think about hate and who is in office and who shouldn't be, that guy you hate at work and more importantly about what sick fukers are doing with guns and the fact that you have to be ever vigilant because someone wants to become internet famous.
Unfortunately by banning guns publicly you have made yourself a target so the only answer would be armed security out front with metal detectors, possibly pat downs and a very clear schedule for services that doesn't waiver. Doors will be locked at 10am and if you aren't inside you are out of luck.
Then behind locked doors safely penned you can commune with people of your ilk without the cares and concerns of the outside world.
Only problem is .. its hard to forget the outside world or to enjoy your service after having been frisked, made to take off your jewelry and belt and if your 10 minutes late you don't get to go in.
I do like the sentiment ... Unfortunately, and its a bummer sometimes ideas have to change with the times.
Unless the "security guard" goes off his meds and starts killing people. (How many heads of state have been killed by their own bodyguards?)
And unless the jihadists/white supremacists/whoever shoot the guard outside the door, kick in the door, and come inside to interrupt your bliss.
And unless the jihadists/white supremacists/whoever throw a couple of Molotov cocktails through the windows while everybody is "safely penned" inside.
smithers599 said:
Ture dat .. there are always going to be exceptions to every scenario. I think the pentagon is still trying to work out all the best case scenarios in the event of a nuclear war and they been at it a while.
Make no mistake .. I am not advocating the penned approach. Personally I wouldn't go if I had to be trapped.
Quite the opposite ... but even in the scenario's you presented .. Bob with his pocket carry isn't going to stop it either.
It will just make Bob feel better touching it through his Sunday slacks and thinking that when the raving Jihadis .. or the more likely scenario, a crazy millennial bent on youtube fame comes in with guns a blazing he will hold them off with 7 rds from the gun he has trouble getting out of those same slacks. All the while he should be focused on communing with whatever or whoever he is there to commune with.
I prefer my houses of worship and religious fundamentals to include provisions for self protection and protection of the group. I would NEVER advocate a no guns policy but .. in the new world order perhaps a more organized Posse made up of armed church members who agree to monitor the doors.
If Bob wants to jump in with his pocket carry .. have at it but No guns isnt an option and my somewhat tongue in check "penned" solution is not a viable option.
Still I hold fast ... The ideal of a place of worship whether you worship dung beetles or hippies in sky being a place that for a very short period of time, you can turn off and commit to one thing at that singular moment .. well .. its appealing.
I have been to several different denominations, houses of worship in NYC. Wish I could say I was looking for enlightenment but it was always some girl I wanted to have carnal knowledge of that invited me and my quest would have me standing at the doors of some type of church to prove my piety. My penis is pretty open minded about religious beliefs, cultural differences and skin color.
Some of them in the rougher parts of NYC had some rough looking dudes at the door. Sharply dressed, looking good but .. 6'+ and a scowl that pretty much said everything you needed to know about how to behave. Me .. I like when people take care of their own.
Not true. We have many, many examples of "active shooters" either running away, giving up, or shooting themselves at the first sign of resistance. There are even a fair number of instances where a "Bob" has actually hit and neutralized the Active Shooter Suspect (A.S.S.)
But I'm not thinking about Bob. I'm thinking about me. I actually practice a lot, and carry always. (In my Boriqua holster.
) Carrying a gun does not distract you from what you are doing; you are not thinking about it all the time. In my car, I have a spare tire, a trauma kit, and a fire extinguisher. I can pay attention to my driving without thinking about a flat tire, a compound fracture, or a fire. The fact that my emergency equipment is nearby allows me to focus on my driving, without having to obsess about those things.Lifewise in a church; if I were unarmed, I would not be able to concentrate on the proceedings because I would be worried about being defenseless. A pistol on my belt gives me a sense of security, and it's not a false sense of security.
If you want to free your mind up to worship God, then carry your pistol. God helps those who help themselves. If you disarm yourself, She won't rescue you; She'll say "You made your choice, now deal with it."
Crippledtrigger
Member
I know many here feel the same as I do. We've discussed this many times over what, 15 years at least. Concealed is concealed. Do not abdicate your responsibility to protect yourself and loved ones to a gun free zone policy or sign.
I would bet money an attack on a mormon church would show that many there feel the same.
I never leave the house or break a law but if I were to do so only a metal detector would stop me from entering a gun free place armed. Since I set those of anyways and when I say I have metal in my back and show the card and only have had TSA actually pat me down, poorly I might add, even metal detectors are 50 50. Like stadiums.
Your safety is your responsibility. Somehow I dont worry about the mormons. Safety wise. Doctrine wise...well we cant discuss that here
Just kidding.
I would bet money an attack on a mormon church would show that many there feel the same.
I never leave the house or break a law but if I were to do so only a metal detector would stop me from entering a gun free place armed. Since I set those of anyways and when I say I have metal in my back and show the card and only have had TSA actually pat me down, poorly I might add, even metal detectors are 50 50. Like stadiums.
Your safety is your responsibility. Somehow I dont worry about the mormons. Safety wise. Doctrine wise...well we cant discuss that here
Just kidding.
shooter444
Member
xerts1191 said:
Naaahhh,... they had six guns for those who tried to stop them from promoting Jesus,... :dance:
Boriqua said:
It's pretty easy to spot them. They're the ones who are well dressed, well groomed, not wearing pajamas in public, their children are well behaved and hold the door for other people.
Their houses are well kept up as are their yards and cars and no bizarre flags or decals on their vehicles.
And best of all...............
they don't drink your beer.