The ammo situation just got worse (thanks Putin)

[Suck My Glock]

Sellier & Bellot announced that they will be shifting production to 5.56, 9mm, 7.62x39 and 7.62x51 for their military use until sometime in the future, and will not be filling commercial orders for now.

RWS and RUAG have been contracted by the German gov't to crank out ammo and munitions for emergency Ukraine relief.

With Russia throwing threats at Finland, Lapua has been ordered to focus on increasing war stocks, so export orders are temporarily suspended. Rumor has it that Finland is also considering send buttloads to Ukraine as a middle finger to Russia.

Likewise, Hungary has also tasked MFS with emergency stockpile expansion and temporarily ceasing exports.

Norma refuses to comment and remains silent, as does Fiocchi.

Aguila, CBC and Geco have claimed no plans to alter current production or deliveries.

 

[samnev]

Not surprised that all the manufacturers are shutting down commercial production in light of want the Russians are doing. It wouldn't surprise me if the Russians have eyes on Poland and the Baltic countries.
So I agree the ammunition situation looks bleak.

 

[Suck My Glock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb1ZgEe70iw&t

 

[That Guy]

Yeah, but the problem I think runs deeper than we realize. My questions are:
*Will the USG rescind all those Form 6’s for Russian ammo which approved prior to Biden halting imports because Putin tried to poison Alexei Navaly with a nerve agent?
*My understanding of the financial sanctions on Russia is that even IF the Form 6 import permits were left in place no US importer could even pay for them.
*And say the Russian ammo, was already paid for and in transit on the high seas, will American longshoremen even unload it?
*And if you have a 5.45 AK yer a speshul kinda f*cked because while there are a lotta people making 7.62X39 other than Russia, only Hornady makes it (so far as I know) and not much (plus it ain’t cheap). European manufacturers who retool to make 5.45 are going to be selling it to the Ukrainians as that caliber is their front line round. Hopefully the Poles and Romanians kept their 5.45 munitions tooling but for fact the Germans destroyed everything associated with the NVA in East Germany after reunification.
*Frankly I laud Ammo, Inc for making a million rounds gratis but by the time it gets to Europe this show is probably going to be over. Better off using the $$$ to find ammo already made and closer.

 

[VITAXIN]

I've decided to not buy any more ammo until the prices come back down,
or I find a great deal - and today I found a GREAT deal.

I paid only $300 for 500 rounds of Double Tap ammo from a local, private
seller - YES !!

 

[Suck My Glock]

In best millimeter, no less! WOW!!

 

[Doc]

Okay. So no more ammo right now.


Will this mean there is a cheap surplus somewhere down the line?

Or am I just some wishful thinking fool?

 

[Suck My Glock]

I think regardless of how the Ukraine war works out, many nations will be stockpiling for an unpredictable Russia for years to come.

However, the silver lining is that if Ukraine prevails, there's gonna be a lot of AK kits coming over after all is done.

 

[bldr60]

I think regardless of how the Ukraine war works out, many nations will be stockpiling for an unpredictable Russia for years to come.

However, the silver lining is that if Ukraine prevails, there's gonna be a lot of AK kits coming over after all is done.

Probably not with our current administration in the White House, even if they did, there will be no surplus 7N6 to go with them. That boat has sailed.

 

[samnev]

I agree "that boat has sailed" and we wont see any relief until we see Republicans in the WH and in control of both houses of congress.

 

[That Guy]

I agree "that boat has sailed" and we wont see any relief until we see Republicans in the WH and in control of both houses of congress.

As long as Putin is in power you guys are dreamin’ if you think Russian ammo is going to be imported regardless of who controls the executive and legislative branches. Nobody is going to reopen and unfreeze Russia/US financial links just to import ammo-especially when MAJOR western corporations like Shell and BP have pulled chocks and left Russia. And if Putin nationalizes western assets in Russia ain’t nobody going to do business with them for a loooooong time. I know everyone thinks the universe spins around our Second Amendment rights but it really doesn’t. I’ve noticed the same people who were bitching about the ATF ceasing to approve any more Form 6’s for Russian ammo imports were also the same folks bitching the US was still buying Russian oil (not anymore). When it comes to internal security the Russians are not exactly nice guys and the optics of them brutally controlling the Ukraine will insure Russian ammo won’t get imported. In the meantime other munitions factories in Romania, Serbia, Slovenia, etc will shift to fill the ammo void left by Russia-you know, all that Adam Smith “invisible hand” sh!t.
Considering what’s going on 7.62X39 and 5.45 is still pretty reasonable. If you own a 5.45 stock up.

 

[samnev]

I agree "that boat has sailed" and we wont see any relief until we see Republicans in the WH and in control of both houses of congress.

As long as Putin is in power you guys are dreamin’ if you think Russian ammo is going to be imported regardless of who controls the executive and legislative branches. Nobody is going to reopen and unfreeze Russia/US financial links just to import ammo-especially when MAJOR western corporations like Shell and BP have pulled chocks and left Russia. And if Putin nationalizes western assets in Russia ain’t nobody going to do business with them for a loooooong time. I know everyone thinks the universe spins around our Second Amendment rights but it really doesn’t. I’ve noticed the same people who were bitching about the ATF ceasing to approve any more Form 6’s for Russian ammo imports were also the same folks bitching the US was still buying Russian oil (not anymore). When it comes to internal security the Russians are not exactly nice guys and the optics of them brutally controlling the Ukraine will insure Russian ammo won’t get imported. In the meantime other munitions factories in Romania, Serbia, Slovenia, etc will shift to fill the ammo void left by Russia-you know, all that Adam Smith “invisible hand” sh!t.
Considering what’s going on 7.62X39 and 5.45 is still pretty reasonable. If you own a 5.45 stock up.

That goes without saying :clap:

 

[Cubiclerevolt]

I agree "that boat has sailed" and we wont see any relief until we see Republicans in the WH and in control of both houses of congress.

As long as Putin is in power you guys are dreamin’ if you think Russian ammo is going to be imported regardless of who controls the executive and legislative branches. Nobody is going to reopen and unfreeze Russia/US financial links just to import ammo-especially when MAJOR western corporations like Shell and BP have pulled chocks and left Russia. And if Putin nationalizes western assets in Russia ain’t nobody going to do business with them for a loooooong time. I know everyone thinks the universe spins around our Second Amendment rights but it really doesn’t. I’ve noticed the same people who were bitching about the ATF ceasing to approve any more Form 6’s for Russian ammo imports were also the same folks bitching the US was still buying Russian oil (not anymore). When it comes to internal security the Russians are not exactly nice guys and the optics of them brutally controlling the Ukraine will insure Russian ammo won’t get imported. In the meantime other munitions factories in Romania, Serbia, Slovenia, etc will shift to fill the ammo void left by Russia-you know, all that Adam Smith “invisible hand” sh!t.
Considering what’s going on 7.62X39 and 5.45 is still pretty reasonable. If you own a 5.45 stock up.

i'm digging this new that guy posting legitimate info and not trolling. :clap:

 

[That Guy]

I agree "that boat has sailed" and we wont see any relief until we see Republicans in the WH and in control of both houses of congress.

As long as Putin is in power you guys are dreamin’ if you think Russian ammo is going to be imported regardless of who controls the executive and legislative branches. Nobody is going to reopen and unfreeze Russia/US financial links just to import ammo-especially when MAJOR western corporations like Shell and BP have pulled chocks and left Russia. And if Putin nationalizes western assets in Russia ain’t nobody going to do business with them for a loooooong time. I know everyone thinks the universe spins around our Second Amendment rights but it really doesn’t. I’ve noticed the same people who were bitching about the ATF ceasing to approve any more Form 6’s for Russian ammo imports were also the same folks bitching the US was still buying Russian oil (not anymore). When it comes to internal security the Russians are not exactly nice guys and the optics of them brutally controlling the Ukraine will insure Russian ammo won’t get imported. In the meantime other munitions factories in Romania, Serbia, Slovenia, etc will shift to fill the ammo void left by Russia-you know, all that Adam Smith “invisible hand” sh!t.
Considering what’s going on 7.62X39 and 5.45 is still pretty reasonable. If you own a 5.45 stock up.

i'm digging this new that guy posting legitimate info and not trolling. :clap:

Actually I can do both simultaneously. I never “troll”. I just post truths that some (OK, many) would rather not hear as it upsets their reality distortion field.


PS-I ain’t that “new”. Under a different nom de guerre I used to post a lot back on the old website.

 

[kenpoprofessor]

Actually I can do both simultaneously. I never “troll”. I just post truths that some (OK, many) would rather not hear as it upsets their reality distortion field.


PS-I ain’t that “new”. Under a different nom de guerre I used to post a lot back on the old website.

If you ain't trolling, you'd share the old name, and post your name. Right now, you're just being an anonypussy.


Clyde

 

[cool arrow]

Actually I can do both simultaneously. I never “troll”. I just post truths that some (OK, many) would rather not hear as it upsets their reality distortion field.


PS-I ain’t that “new”. Under a different nom de guerre I used to post a lot back on the old website.

If you ain't trolling, you'd share the old name, and post your name. Right now, you're just being an anonypussy.


Clyde

and............here we go.

 

[Miker12]

Here’s Why You’re About to See AK-47 Ammo Shoot to the Moon

BKROP
MAY 2, 2022

7.62×39, which many may know as a standard Russian caliber, famously used by the AK47, will be much more expensive soon, along with many other Russian calibers. Here’s why.

In August 2021, the administration announced a ban on Russian ammunition imports, which accounts for almost 40% of ammunition in the US Market, according to importers.

Steph with TMGN gives some background on the Russian Ammo Ban: https://www.youtube.com/embed/94UWTYIqFmo

The reason behind the ban? An Aug. 20, 2020 Poisoning of a Russian opposition leader, Alexei Navalny. Almost a full year later, the Biden admin (after failing to push gun control through the legislative process) decided to cut a significant supply of ammunition into the United States.

Although current imports that were approved before the ban’s passage will continue, no new import will be approved thanks to the Biden administration. So once those ammunition shipments are sold, there will be no restock.

To make matters worse, Russian ammo accounts for many of the more budget-friendly brands of ammo in the US Market. This import ban is, of course, an attempt to price gun owners out of being able to enjoy their 2nd amendment right.

This backdoor gun control has become all too common for Biden, who, even during his recent announcement of the new “ghost gun rule,” mentioned his “regulatory authority” in subverting Congress and governing via executive fiat.

Naturally, after the import ban was announced, prices for popular Russian calibers like 7.62×39, 5.45×39, and 7.62x54R shot up from their already high pandemic pricing. But, as current pre-approved imports continue, the price has come down slightly.

As of Apr. 8, 2022, the Biden admin has now raised a 32.3% duty on all imports from Russia and Belarus thanks to the aptly named “Suspending Normal Trade Relations with Russia and Belarus Act,” or HR 7108 for short.

This duty increase was confirmed to TMGN by a representative of Barnaul Ammunition.

The 32.3% raise itself comes from HR 7108, making Russia & Belarus ineligible for the “most-favored-nation” tariff rates that the United States currently applies to imports from WTO member countries.

How does this affect Russian Ammo imports, you might ask? Well, because this new law applies to all current imports, we can expect the price to increase dramatically on all Russian ammo still on its way to the US Market.

Most components needed for ammunition production are trading at a much higher value than in years past. As supply tightens and prices increase through duties and taxes, we will see a significant increase in cost to the consumer. Additionally, this cost increase is compounded by the current commodities shock, supply chain issues, and more.

Hopefully, in the future, US companies will start to produce these calibers in larger quantities or find a friendly nation overseas to import from. As of right now, our advice is to grab this ammo while you can.

https://themachinegunnest.com/heres-why-youre-about-to-see-ak-47-ammo-shoot-to-the-moon/