Steve_In_29
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I never cared for the AUG's toy ray-gun look.
Tavor vs AUG
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harleypower69
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Elheffe....good to see you posting man! I love my A3 Aug, the adjustable gas system allows running a fouled gun that won't take you out of the fight. None of the Tavor fans have shared whether the Tavor has this feature.
desertmoon
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Having an AUG and regular access to a Tavor...let me say BOTH are really good guns.
Than being said, for sheer ease of maintenance and quality of engineering, the AUG wins, hands down.
I personally do not like the deep receiver recess in the Tavor....on the AUG everything is easily accessible in fact, next to the M1 Garand style weapons, it is one of the most accessible.
AUGs are known for not having very good trigger pulls, like many bullpup guns, but it is a DREAM next to the Tavor...even with the Tavor's redundant second return spring removed.
To me, the AUG is like a Glock....in rifle format. I think the thing I like about it the most is that is VERY comfortable to carry in the sling mode. Just throw it over your back and forget about it.
The "ultimate" AUG, to me was the A3. I have an A3M1...which has a differently profiled front block that does not allow for a wider variety of long rails that make using back up iron sights a lot easier. I have a Pete's long rail on my A3M1 but with my older eyes I just can't get the front sight focus that I could if I had another two inches of rail out front.
The other thing I am not a fan of, when it comes to the Tavor is that the internals do not seem as robust as the AUG. They appear ( that is NOT to say they are any less tough than an AUG ) a lot more delicate than the massive components in the AUG.
Than being said, for sheer ease of maintenance and quality of engineering, the AUG wins, hands down.
I personally do not like the deep receiver recess in the Tavor....on the AUG everything is easily accessible in fact, next to the M1 Garand style weapons, it is one of the most accessible.
AUGs are known for not having very good trigger pulls, like many bullpup guns, but it is a DREAM next to the Tavor...even with the Tavor's redundant second return spring removed.
To me, the AUG is like a Glock....in rifle format. I think the thing I like about it the most is that is VERY comfortable to carry in the sling mode. Just throw it over your back and forget about it.
The "ultimate" AUG, to me was the A3. I have an A3M1...which has a differently profiled front block that does not allow for a wider variety of long rails that make using back up iron sights a lot easier. I have a Pete's long rail on my A3M1 but with my older eyes I just can't get the front sight focus that I could if I had another two inches of rail out front.
The other thing I am not a fan of, when it comes to the Tavor is that the internals do not seem as robust as the AUG. They appear ( that is NOT to say they are any less tough than an AUG ) a lot more delicate than the massive components in the AUG.
shooter444
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Always admired the AUG, ever since I was a kid, just never had the cash at the right time. Nice to read about its robust guts. After almost 6 decades it still stands on an excellent reputation.
If the Tavor, being less than 2 decades old, holds up as well in the next half century, it will have earned its place as a combat weapon, as well.
jmho
If the Tavor, being less than 2 decades old, holds up as well in the next half century, it will have earned its place as a combat weapon, as well.
jmho
storage_man
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desertmoon said:
The Tavor internals are quite Robust. Some time ago I had a squib with follow up (Tracer). The light show inside the chamber was amazing. The only thing that broke was the dust cover on the opposite side of the ejection port. The rest of the internals were just fine and have been running for the last 2 years. Yes I had to buy a new dust cover ($8.92 shipped).
harleypower69
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desertmoon said:
desertmoon
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storage_man said:
DANG!!!
First: Glad to hear you are okay.
Second: Glad to know the Tavor can stand up to that kind of force. That is awesome!!! Like, Galil level awesome!!!!
I only have experience with the x95, but enjoy shooting it as an alternative 2 always shooting AR-15s. Mine has been very reliable. I do have a question though for any Tavor owners who are shooting them suppressed. How did you mount your muzzle device? The Tavor has a jam nut for the flash suppressor. When mounting your quick attach muzzle device for your suppressor, did you remove the jam nut?
No FN Fs2000 love?
Actually, being an owner of a FS, i find the tavors a better handling bullpup when i came across them. Felt better balanced (not as front heavy)
Only gripe would be the iron sites on all of them could be better.
Actually, being an owner of a FS, i find the tavors a better handling bullpup when i came across them. Felt better balanced (not as front heavy)
Only gripe would be the iron sites on all of them could be better.
Crippledtrigger
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Bullpups and front heavy are mutually exclusive.
I originally had a MSAR stg556 (aug clone) loved the way it felt but it had problems. Problems caused by that company.
Bought a AUG A3 Nato later on. Also preordered the original Tavor - the SAR back when it was intially announced. Was planning on getting that with its also announced 5.45 caliber kit.
Well the kit was cancelled, my preorder delayed. After handling one at a LGS i cancelled my preorder. It was 50% pissed at the company that i preordered it from (everybody else already had them) & 50% I just did not like the way the Tavor felt. Didnt like the grip & just did not think it was worth its original asking price. This was of course me also mentally comparing it to the AUG I already had back home.
Now I would go SAR over X95 if your set on a Israeli. But also look at the Atrax that should be appearing soon. The US version of the Thales F90/F88. Like a moderner AUG. Loses the fantastic barrel change feature unfortunately.
I still want a 2nd AUG & will eventually get another but will sure get a Atrax if that comes out soon. But gonna wait for the tan export version (its version of the NATO - AR mag stock)
Bought a AUG A3 Nato later on. Also preordered the original Tavor - the SAR back when it was intially announced. Was planning on getting that with its also announced 5.45 caliber kit.
Well the kit was cancelled, my preorder delayed. After handling one at a LGS i cancelled my preorder. It was 50% pissed at the company that i preordered it from (everybody else already had them) & 50% I just did not like the way the Tavor felt. Didnt like the grip & just did not think it was worth its original asking price. This was of course me also mentally comparing it to the AUG I already had back home.
Now I would go SAR over X95 if your set on a Israeli. But also look at the Atrax that should be appearing soon. The US version of the Thales F90/F88. Like a moderner AUG. Loses the fantastic barrel change feature unfortunately.
I still want a 2nd AUG & will eventually get another but will sure get a Atrax if that comes out soon. But gonna wait for the tan export version (its version of the NATO - AR mag stock)
Stronghand
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GunSmoke said:
Mines set with a SiclencerCo ASR brake. Tossed on some shims to time it and boom works great. I love the X95. Didn't mind the SAR but I didn't like the light mounting options so sold it kept the X95. Wife loves it and now it's her go to rifle. The x95 trigger pack they changed is much nicer too. I never liked any of the Augs I had. The X95 solves most peoples bullpup complaints. If you're going to run it suppressed get the Manitcore side port cover makes life way nicer with all the back pressure. 4,000 rounds through our current X95 and never had a problem with it. Students with no arm strength like it a lot until they hear the price.
I have been running my x95 with the ASR flashhider, but I ended up removing the jam nut per silencerco's recommendation. I snugged it to the shoulder and secured with rocksett. I put about 150 rounds though it successfully. Thanks for the tip on the left ejection port cover.
Stronghand
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It's a pretty nice setup suppressed. The ASR setup is the way to go. I run the brakes on everything.
if you run cans and want to be suffocated, but a TAVOR SAR, I hear the X95 is a little better but not much. The AUG has way less blowback and then there is also a gas plug with suppressor settings available.
Aug trigger is way better than the SAR. The X95 is maybe a little better than an Aug. Still unknown if the X95 accuracy issues have ever been understood or defined. I know on AR-15 one guy went above and beyond doing accuracy mods on his X95 and was maybe getting 3 MOA.
Aug trigger is way better than the SAR. The X95 is maybe a little better than an Aug. Still unknown if the X95 accuracy issues have ever been understood or defined. I know on AR-15 one guy went above and beyond doing accuracy mods on his X95 and was maybe getting 3 MOA.
Stronghand
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It's that way with any piston gun. The manticore arms gas port over solves it. I don't know why people get so butthurt over a 2moa or 3moa gun when they don't do shit with it anyways. Mil spec standard is 2-4 moa and that works. The Israelis give the x95 to the urban troops with M193 ammo to maximize it's purpose and it works great for it. I get great accuracy with mine out to 300-400 and haven't bothered going further with it. The new X95 trigger is great.
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