Sig Strikers .. Not me

[Boriqua]

I have read all the horse $hit about negligence being the sole cause of Sig strikers lighting off rounds. Know all the safety rules but .. where there is smoke there is usually fire and there is just to much anecdotal evidence that they are not safe. Love my P series sig but I wouldnt touch one of their strikers. Something is up..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBjo62vSYZk&t=251s

 

[smithers599]

Not me, either.

 

[Tenring]

And to think some carry them AIWB.

 

[brandyspaw]

DA/SA SIG's look better and better all the time.

 

[QuangTri]

I ended up with a Glock 30, but did not like much of any of the striker fired offerings some years back. Still do not like the Glock trigger.

Really will be looking for a compact .45 DA/SA hammer fired pistol as an alternate.

 

[samnev]

I have read all the horse $hit about negligence being the sole cause of Sig strikers lighting off rounds. Know all the safety rules but .. where there is smoke there is usually fire and there is just to much anecdotal evidence that they are not safe. Love my P series sig but I wouldnt touch one of their strikers. Something is up..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBjo62vSYZk&t=251s

Same here love my P series SIG's but don't like striker pistols.

 

[Boriqua]

This is an older video so likely before the "voluntary" recall but still .. pretty scary. Guy has a whole lead in so just fast forward to about 6:15.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6N15rzP-AA

I dont think its the lack of trigger dingus. I think it has to be the way the striker is engaged. Be that as it may ... I wouldnt carry it.

 

[h8pvmnt]

Is this issue the same for the m18/m17 series guns as well. I have an M17 that i traded for but have never fired. Kind of scary if this is a repeatable thing.

 

[Boriqua]

Is this issue the same for the m18/m17 series guns as well. I have an M17 that i traded for but have never fired. Kind of scary if this is a repeatable thing.

I had little interest in the striker Sigs so I didnt follow the Military's contract stuff very much but what seems to be the gun at issue, at least from stories I keep running into, is the 320. How close that is to the M17 I just am ignorant about.

I like sigs and have some .. but I have the classic sigs so I dont have a dog in the fight but I keep running into stories about guns going off even after the recall.

https://www.policemag.com/645746/milwaukee-police-association-sues-city-over-safety-concerns-with-sig-p320

https://www.fox6now.com/news/why-milwaukee-police-sig-sauer-guns-accidentally-going-off

This story is a little more suspect since the gun was in her purse but ... she says it was holstered .. still there is room for user error .. I guess.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/detective-sues-sig-sauer-holstered-p320-handgun-killed/story?id=79605906

Forgive me again for not having all the details but I read it had something to do with the way that sig pre-tensions the striker making it less safe than other strikers like say a Glock.

 

[pneuby]

M17, military Sig 320s, have a manual-safety which I 'think' is required to be engaged via policy and training. I don't know if that would prevent the issue, or not. I don't know of a single PD issuing one with the safety option, but never say never.

 

[Boriqua]

M17, military Sig 320s, have a manual-safety which I 'think' is required to be engaged via policy and training. I don't know if that would prevent the issue, or not. I don't know of a single PD issuing one with the safety option, but never say never.

I wonder what the detent on the safety is like. Is it firm and confidence inspiring?

 

[pneuby]

From:
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2022/09/26/what-know-lawsuit-over-service-weapons-milwaukee-police-sig-sauer-p-320/10433980002/

Other issues with P320 around the country
At least 22 lawsuits have been filed against Sig Sauer since 2018 alleging the P320 fired without anyone pulling the trigger. The lawsuits originate from Missouri, Massachusetts, Kentucky, Georgia and elsewhere. Eighteen have been filed since 2020.

 

[paulgt2164]

I have had a few 320 series (and still have a couple...) and while I haven't been rolling around in the dirt using it to dig holes, throwing them up against walls, and hitting them with hammers - over several thousands rounds total I haven't seen any indication nor have I had any reason to believe they were unsafe. This reminds me of the hoop-lah with Glocks.

I guess time will tell.

 

[Crippledtrigger]

Time has told.

They are unsafe. They go off in holsters, in storage just sitting there as well as when dropped or impacted.

Not always or predictably but they will kil and have injured.
Remington 700 ring bells.

 

[knockonit]

everyones mileage will differ, am extremely happy with mine, although do not carry it, they are range rats. so...........as it goes

 

[Boriqua]

Time has told.

They are unsafe. They go off in holsters, in storage just sitting there as well as when dropped or impacted.

Not always or predictably but they will kil and have injured.
Remington 700 ring bells.

I had never heard of the issues with the Remington 700 so I looked it up and the first article was

https://www.wardblacklaw.com/blog/the-remington-700-a-target-of-misfire-lawsuits/

Interesting .. learned something new

 

[YNOTAZ]

I've built 4 P320s so far with combination of SIG parts and aftermarket and have another almost complete. The only problem I've run into was an aftermarket slide that had too much Cerakote in channel for the extractor pin and spring, causing failure to extract.

One issue I can see is even with the crappiest striker and trigger parts, trigger pull comes in at around 4#. That might make it easier for a UD under pressure or mishandling. One of my builds, with an Apex trigger, comes in at 3#.

 

[Boriqua]

Here is a somewhat long but informative video on how the striker and safety works in the 320.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0MpcFEXWhc

It does seem to me that in order to get a really light trigger the striker is under tension once racked. There is not a whole lot to overcome to get a bang. Guys I am not a gun smith so if I am seeing it wrong I know you will chime in.

Not a glock or striker fan boy but in videos of the glock function it seems the trigger pull at least partly compresses the striker spring before letting it forward. With no pretension on the spring you could virtually throw it off a building and it cant go off. Could be the key difference. In all .. It still is a small number of reports based on the number of 320's sold but .. Think I will stick with DA/SA. Especially if I entertain pointing it at my doodle IWB

 

[Crippledtrigger]

Glocks are not, and as far as I know never have, going off in holsters just sitting there. These are.

The Glock issues were trigger discipline and getting something in the trigger guard during holstering.


We all said "ya right it just went off" and rolled our eyes but there have been several where there were witnesses of these guns just going off while holsterd. One was partially recorded and witnessed where a transit cop was sitting in a golf cart and not moving and the thing went off. Another IIRC just went off sitting in a desk drawer with no one around.

Somethings phuckey, as the guy says.

I'm not even including the obvious and repeatedly demonstrated drop safe issues which have already injured several people.

 

[samnev]

There was is video this site by Boriqua Post #1 which shows a guy holstering his 365XL where it showed his hands nowhere near the trigger and he had an AD. ruined his holster and pants narrowly missing his leg and foot. I've read many other AD with the 365. Not for me not ever.