SIG P320
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Dauph said:
From downstream in that thread...
https://twitter.com/LysanderBoomer/status/1898177947988586694?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
So... I guess this is going to get interesting...
Everyone that decides to DUMP their unsafe P320s, in celebration of 320-2025, I'm here for you, any P320 in working condition $200 no questions asked. Maybe more if it's really nice and has stuff with it.
(Except 40s, I don't like 40s.)
(Except 40s, I don't like 40s.)
samnev
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Maybe it's just me but I wouldn't the a P320 with an 11 foot pole. Unless it was free and wanted a safe queen.
kenpoprofessor
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Honestly, I like the Legion X5, a lot. But, I don't own any other Sig pistols or rifles. I bought an Omega 12 semi auto shotgun for stupid cheap. Second time I had it at the range, I forgot to bring a magazine for it. So, I single loaded it, pointed it downrange, hit the bolt release, and BANG. Damn thing did it twice in a row. Now, I'd seen video of this shotgun with it doing that before I bought it, so I was well aware of the issue. Now, after cleaning and some gas port drilling, the thing runs like a champ and has many rounds through it without it misfiring. But..... I still am wary of it doing it again.
Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day
Clyde
Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day
Clyde
I’m so tired of this story. Buy one or don’t. Who cares. Plenty of firearms in history have had major design flaws. Remember the old Remington 700 triggers?
Sig just needs to man up and recall the affected guns, again, and move on. The longer they deny the issues the more they suffer in the court of public image.
Sig just needs to man up and recall the affected guns, again, and move on. The longer they deny the issues the more they suffer in the court of public image.
QuietM4 said:
This is the right answer IMHO - but it's not how many businesses operate these days.
The liars (lawyers) and risk management folks make a formula driven decision based on a bunch of factors including the cost of negative press associated with accepting that there is actually a defect - and far to often they decide that it's better to just deny the issue indefinitely.
We had the same thing happen with a nearly new (like less than a year old) high end LG clothes dryer. I came home one day and it was not in the laundry room as I walked in from the garage. Turns out my son drug it out of the house to the back yard because it was on fire. LG sent a "technician" out who looked at it and determined that the cause of the fire was "operator error" - that we must have not cleaned the lint screen often enough. My wife says: "I can't swear on a stack of bibles that I've cleaned it every time I put a load of laundry in the dryer - but I do it essentially every time... " That was enough for them... "the manual says 'every time...' it's on you." The argument that she's done laundry the same way for the last 40 years and this is the first dryer that's burst into flames... didn't seem to sway them. Turns out there is a class action suit out there because this is a common issue with that set of appliances from LG. I have no doubt that they know that they have an issue... and they are choosing to delay, deny, refuse to take responsibility because their liars (lawyers) tell them it's the best financial approach.
WhiteDragon
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From Gunsite instructor Freddie Blish:
"The following are comments from a friend who is a Mechanical Engineer, that worked in the firearms industry, as well as automotive racing industry, and currently working in aerospace designing products for DOD.
We both bought Sig M17 variants 2-3 years ago via the NRA Instructor discount program. Here is a recent comment reference to the video above regarding the Sig 320.
“So, after watching this, and messing with my own pistol, my conclusion is the P320 is fundamentally unsafe.
If you depress the sear, it pulls the trigger and activates the bar that depresses the firing pin block out of the way.
The thumb safety does prevent the sear from moving the trigger and the striker block deactivation arm. So, the manual safety version is safer. Doesn’t mean I’m saying it’s safe. (Ed. There are 87 instances of the M17s and M18s firing unintentionally)
The sear should only activate by the trigger and not the opposite, and the sear should be blocked until the trigger is pulled.
It’s actually the most unsafe design I’ve ever recognized. It’s almost as if there’s not safety’s at all. The only active safety on it is a sticker block which is bypasses with a backward function of the sear = no safety at all.
Glock has a sear block, FP block independent of the sear. Sear can’t backdrive trigger or FP block. Also, trigger safety.
When SIG says it’s can’t go off unless the trigger is activated they are not lying… it’s just not being activated with a finger, it’s being activated back driven by the trigger works via impact, random vibration, and or intrusion into the back of the slide by foreign material. Also worn and or dirty parts could result in a simultaneous FP block, sear failure.”"
"The following are comments from a friend who is a Mechanical Engineer, that worked in the firearms industry, as well as automotive racing industry, and currently working in aerospace designing products for DOD.
We both bought Sig M17 variants 2-3 years ago via the NRA Instructor discount program. Here is a recent comment reference to the video above regarding the Sig 320.
“So, after watching this, and messing with my own pistol, my conclusion is the P320 is fundamentally unsafe.
If you depress the sear, it pulls the trigger and activates the bar that depresses the firing pin block out of the way.
The thumb safety does prevent the sear from moving the trigger and the striker block deactivation arm. So, the manual safety version is safer. Doesn’t mean I’m saying it’s safe. (Ed. There are 87 instances of the M17s and M18s firing unintentionally)
The sear should only activate by the trigger and not the opposite, and the sear should be blocked until the trigger is pulled.
It’s actually the most unsafe design I’ve ever recognized. It’s almost as if there’s not safety’s at all. The only active safety on it is a sticker block which is bypasses with a backward function of the sear = no safety at all.
Glock has a sear block, FP block independent of the sear. Sear can’t backdrive trigger or FP block. Also, trigger safety.
When SIG says it’s can’t go off unless the trigger is activated they are not lying… it’s just not being activated with a finger, it’s being activated back driven by the trigger works via impact, random vibration, and or intrusion into the back of the slide by foreign material. Also worn and or dirty parts could result in a simultaneous FP block, sear failure.”"
WhiteDragon
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WhiteDragon
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Crap, i have a P320 XCarry Spectre. Great gun, just don't trust it 100%.
Mike-4
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WhiteDragon said:
Very informative. Need to check my P320. Thanks for posting.
superduty38
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I think Sig could have saved themselves lots of time and money just by adding the little trigger safety lever, like Glock and most every other striker fired pistol. Sig just thinks to highly of themselves. I added the Tyrant IntelliFire trigger to my P365 because I do not trust Sig's design of the trigger assembly. If someone made a trigger like that for the P320 then you would have something.
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