Shock collar guidance

[Pro2a]

Best place I can find for this.
I’m hoping have some hunters out there that have used shock collars.
I’m looking for some guidance on how to properly implement the use of a shock collar for behavior modification. I know it shouldn’t be a punishment tool, but I’m just not sure as the procedure, and I haven’t found the right website for it.
I just have a very overprotective YorkiePoo that is not social, but I want him to be friendly with guests and friends.
If I remember correctly, I think 338lapua had some of those aggressive Malanois police dogs, maybe he knows some tricks.
I’m looking for advice from my “gun friends” since I can’t afford a thousand dollars for formal training, and I’m down to my few all time favorite guns, so no I’m not selling any, haha

 

[pvreb]

I used a shock collar on my dog years ago. When he ran off and ignored my calls to return, a shock was all that was required to get his attention. Don't know how to go about your situation. You don't want to discourage aggressive behavior in some situations.

 

[Lobo2087]

I tried one on the wife awhile back. Didnt go well.

 

[weenis]

There's some good dog training stuff here, and it's one of the websites I purchase dog gear from - http://www.elitek9.com

The key is to only shock as an extreme offense.

You want the dog to be reacting to you and your commands, not necessarily the correction. When you get a shock collar, you should find you're using the vibrate feature more than the shock, because you want to be able to give your dog a command, and he listen, but if he doesn't, you vibrate him in a "if I have to say your name again..."

We had dogs that were wanting to kill our goats, so we got a collar. If they displayed any chase/prey drive toward the goats, we would out them. If they still had the wild look in their eye as they looked at the goats without "outing", then we'd vibrate the collar, with an out command. If they still were on the prowl, we'd shock them.

After about a week, the goats could run around free on the property, and the dogs would just lay around watching the property and the goats eat.

The key is getting the dog to listen and do what you want, not necessarily punish the specific act/behavior.

 

[Isnake]

I tried one on the wife awhile back. Didnt go well.

Giggle

 

[Java Junkie]

When we were living in town we got a warning from the PD for our dog barking. The cops came at 11:00PM while we were at the movies. The neighbors were probably having a pool party driving the dogs crazy. Needless to say we went and got some bark collars. They actually work pretty well. You just have to keep them snug under their throat and keep new batteries in them. The collar doesn't work as well on our female because she has longer fur. She doesn't bark as much as the male anyways. So it's no big deal. Now that we live in the boonies it's a moot point.

 

[Boriqua]

Hey Matt shot me an email. I may be able to offer some guidance. In my youth I spent a few years working for a dog trainer and then did dog training 9n my own for about a year. Was the attack dummy for the Rockland county police dogs

 

[Lobo2087]

Alex, a police german shepherd chasing you through the bronx with an appropriated tv on your shoulder is NOT considered ASSISTING WITH TRAINING... ;-)

 

[Boriqua]

Alex, a police german shepherd chasing you through the bronx with an appropriated tv on your shoulder is NOT considered ASSISTING WITH TRAINING... ;-)

Are you so wrong! For the puppy it was real life training. Best you could get!

I ran a 4.5 40 in high school ... tv added a few pounds but I still gave it a run for its training!

 

[338lapua]

Best place I can find for this.
I’m hoping have some hunters out there that have used shock collars.
I’m looking for some guidance on how to properly implement the use of a shock collar for behavior modification. I know it shouldn’t be a punishment tool, but I’m just not sure as the procedure, and I haven’t found the right website for it.
I just have a very overprotective YorkiePoo that is not social, but I want him to be friendly with guests and friends.
If I remember correctly, I think 338lapua had some of those aggressive Malanois police dogs, maybe he knows some tricks.
I’m looking for advice from my “gun friends” since I can’t afford a thousand dollars for formal training, and I’m down to my few all time favorite guns, so no I’m not selling any, haha

Work with a qualified trainer when using a E-collar, you can make a bad situation even worse. I have seen a bad dog become viscous from this kind of training done wrong. This is not a buy one and train your own if you have not been trained. Little dogs can be some of the worst to work with because they are afraid of being trampled. They also get possessive with their owners and even their territory. Kind of like little man syndrome. If you do go e-collar the dog must not ever know you are in control of the device, it must remain hidden. At the very least you need a trainer who knows what the hell they are doing and it may be possible to do it without a collar but I don't work with small dogs, only Malinois and Dutch Shepherds.

As for me and e-collars I will not use them. None of the guys I work with use them. I use prong collars on my dog and let it bite when he gets sideways. The other alternative is to kennel the dog when people come over, it is not cruel it keeps the dog from getting in trouble from biting someone. Leerburg has some good resources for training and training starts day one. I started two weeks before my dog came home and it doesn't stop. I use marker training for obedience and it the best non stressful training, Leerberg has videos on it. Reward wanted behaviors and ignore uwanted behaviors. I have very limited needs for obedience and only thing I am concerned with is stopping the bite and ceasing what he is doing, returning downing and stay, nothing else matters in what I do so I am not suited to non biting and detection dogs.





You are really not going to know what it will cost or even if a e-collar will work until you consult with a trainer. Partners Dog Training is who you might want to call, Leighton Oosthusien is the owner and is also a grand master shooter. Really cool guy, met him a couple times and also a very good trainer. He works with all breeds and I am only concerned with working breeds in bite work and scent detection.

https://partnersdogs.com/

 

[cjr]

I used one for my dog. I bought a collar that has tone and shock(4 levels) start out using tone and only use shock very sparingly. I used it along with verbal commands. Good luck with training.

 

[TacMedic]

I paid a professional to use it for training, worth every penny. Now only use it on/off as needed as my dog behaves in most scenarios. Only thing that it did not correct was dog reactivity. She still will not stay calm around other dogs.

I think trying to do it on your own has risks, which is why I used a professional.

 

[kptaylor]

Agree with 338lapua. Not for use by someone without training or an understanding of when/how they can be effective. Prong collars and patience is always a better method. If you do insist on using it, start at the lowest level and use it only as a reinforcement after they have ignored an already learned command. Hell, put it on your arm and see how bad the higher levels feel to yourself! You'll know why they shouldn't be cranked up and used to punish.

 

[338lapua]

I paid a professional to use it for training, worth every penny. Now only use it on/off as needed as my dog behaves in most scenarios. Only thing that it did not correct was dog reactivity. She still will not stay calm around other dogs.

I think trying to do it on your own has risks, which is why I used a professional.

There is also a "dummy" box that feels the same to the dog but no electronics in it and a lot of dogs will fall for it once they are trained and not do undesirable things even with the dummy box on them.

 

[Brasky46]

I’ve used a shock collar a few times and only had to shock the dog about the first 1 to 3 times they were doing the wrong behavior. After that, just having the collar on or me having the remote around my neck was enough for them to behave.

 

[338lapua]

I’ve used a shock collar a few times and only had to shock the dog about the first 1 to 3 times they were doing the wrong behavior. After that, just having the collar on or me having the remote around my neck was enough for them to behave.

In proper e collar training the dog MUST NOT know you have the box that triggers it. Best kept in a pocket where they don't know what caused it. If you hit it while it is on your neck the dog will catch on quickly. The end result is you want to dog to think when they do the behavior the bad behavior is what is causing the collar to go off. When the dog finds out you are the one controlling they learn to wait till you are not around to do the bad behavior. I took a 80 hour class on e-collar use to get certified to use them properly.

We also use cameras to watch dogs remotely and they get the shock when nobody is there. They are good tools in trained hands.

 

[Brasky46]

Thanks. Appreciate it!