ROGUE ATF AGENTS ARE CRACKING DOWN ON LEGAL GUNS IN ANTICIPATION OF BIDEN ADMINISTRATION

[McKnight55]

The ATF did raid or show up at other companies that sell other kits that include 80% part kits, barrels, and slides that are not Polymer80. AmmoLand News sources inside the ATF say that the agency is now considering 80% kits with all the parts needed to finish a pistol as a firearm. None of the companies had any warning on the change to ATF’s regulations before actual agents showed up making attempts to retrieve customer information.

https://gunsinthenews.com/as-atf-goes-rogue-goa-calls-on-trump-to-fire-agency-head/

 

[Suck My Glock]

I read that they also seized all sales records at Polymer 80, and some of those customers have already been visited.

I would expect that ATF is sifting through those records, looking for identifiable felon purchasers. Upon finding those, and tracking them down, they will likely be selected to be the cases they will bring forth to showcase the "why" the legislation soon to be proposed is supposedly necessary. The timing is important. So, in order to have such prosecutions ongoing at or about the same time as the legislation is being proposed during the spring session, ATF has to get their butts in gear now. This timing is purposeful.

 

[Hunter]

Depends on where one sits as far as "legal" is being defined as. Not a serial, not legally purchased using the current systems in place, is most likely why this is being done by the ATF.

If anyone get's triggered by what In said, I spoke the message, not an opinion, so simma down please. I did NOT say where I stood on this so that's on YOU and not me for not being able to read critically and instead is doing so, emotionally.

I define a legal firearm as any type of man portable weapon designed to discharge any type of projectile regardless of size, length, caliber, method of propulsion, rate of fire in any fire control position, including full automatic, as legal for any person currently residing within the borders of the united States

I define legal possession of such weapon as any person not currently incarcerated for a crime that involves a specific victim, not including "the state", which is still incarcerated for said crime. Once freed, all rights restored without question or petition!

I fully support the abolition of the ATF simply because the constitution does not prescribe there existence!

Does that sum up what you wanted to say?

The time to grow a pair is now. If you're on the fence cause some meth head may get a gun while real criminals just stole an election right in front of you, and are laughing at you, the real problem is you!

It's time to be ungovernable

 

[McKnight55]

This is the ATF determination letter on Polymer 80's site.

https://www.polymer80.com/CMS-Images/ATF-DetLetters.pdf

From what I read,they have ATF verification ,their products are not fireaem receivers or firearms.

 

[Crippledtrigger]

 

[jls in az]

Remember, this is the same ATF responsible for thousands of illegal firearms hitting the streets in Mexico and the US and responsible for the death of hundreds, if not thousands of Mexicans, dozens of American and at least one Federal Agent.

 

[Vyadmirer]

Yeah this is legit scary stuff. If they keep pushing the envelope I don’t think I like where this is eventually going to end up.

 

[deadshot556]

Depends on where one sits as far as "legal" is being defined as. Not a serial, not legally purchased using the current systems in place, is most likely why this is being done by the ATF.

If anyone get's triggered by what In said, I spoke the message, not an opinion, so simma down please. I did NOT say where I stood on this so that's on YOU and not me for not being able to read critically and instead is doing so, emotionally.

I define a legal firearm as any type of man portable weapon designed to discharge any type of projectile regardless of size, length, caliber, method of propulsion, rate of fire in any fire control position, including full automatic, as legal for any person currently residing within the borders of the united States

I define legal possession of such weapon as any person not currently incarcerated for a crime that involves a specific victim, not including "the state", which is still incarcerated for said crime. Once freed, all rights restored without question or petition!

I fully support the abolition of the ATF simply because the constitution does not prescribe there existence!

Does that sum up what you wanted to say?

The time to grow a pair is now. If you're on the fence cause some meth head may get a gun while real criminals just stole an election right in front of you, and are laughing at you, the real problem is you!

It's time to be ungovernable

You wasted that no nobody. You in effect, got triggered and chose to go on the offensive, at someone that was neither against you nor with you, and was only posting a message from an apolitical point of view.

Good job, buddy.

I suggest next time, you actually read. Slowly. So slow that you can finally figure it out that my post was not taking sides, and only using rationale thought deduction. I even had to type it out that my post was apolitically a message and not my stance, and still I have to explain it to someone. SMH...wow.

Now if you wanted to hear my opinion, how about you actually ask? Because instead of using a manufactured straw man to go off at me, whose "crime" is posting what possibly was happening from an unbiased and insightful POV, you chose to make an assumption based on failed reading comprehension of what I had said.

FYI: I never said it was wrong or right, 'lil fella.

As for where you stand on the issue, I don't give a care where you side on this. Pro or against, you're allowed your opinion. Just as I'm allowed mine. However in this case, I NEVER GAVE MY OPINION ON IT.

Next time, don't try so hard to war with your own side, or is eating our own a winning strategy for some here? That's a bold move I must say. Let's see how it pans out when a call to action is made and bodies needed, and see who shows up and whom does not. Hint, now is not the time to fight people over self imagined slights that never occurred.

Your original post was pointless and maybe you should read what the above post you quoted actually meant.

 

[Hunter]

Depends on where one sits as far as "legal" is being defined as. Not a serial, not legally purchased using the current systems in place, is most likely why this is being done by the ATF.

If anyone get's triggered by what In said, I spoke the message, not an opinion, so simma down please. I did NOT say where I stood on this so that's on YOU and not me for not being able to read critically and instead is doing so, emotionally.

I define a legal firearm as any type of man portable weapon designed to discharge any type of projectile regardless of size, length, caliber, method of propulsion, rate of fire in any fire control position, including full automatic, as legal for any person currently residing within the borders of the united States

I define legal possession of such weapon as any person not currently incarcerated for a crime that involves a specific victim, not including "the state", which is still incarcerated for said crime. Once freed, all rights restored without question or petition!

I fully support the abolition of the ATF simply because the constitution does not prescribe there existence!

Does that sum up what you wanted to say?

The time to grow a pair is now. If you're on the fence cause some meth head may get a gun while real criminals just stole an election right in front of you, and are laughing at you, the real problem is you!

It's time to be ungovernable

You wasted that no nobody.

No I didn't. I triggered the $hit out of you. I was laughing my ass off typing that wondering how high I could get your "no opinion " blood pressure up too.

 

[AZHTfreak]

ROGUE??? This is BATF SOP...

 

[tlieberman240]

Jesus f***ing Christ, the senseless bickering in these threads on these forums is why we continue to fight such a losing battle.

Too busy cirlce jerking and bullshitting each other, while millions of other people and rouge organizations are all just nodding their head in agreement saying "whatever, they'll all be banned eventually"

 

[Pscipio03]

Girls, girls- you're both pretty.
Now can we go on hating the government and those who support inane gun laws?
See, we can find common ground and agree.
I love how we are all fighting the same war, but gotta get mired down in our own battles.

 

[knockonit]

lol, yeah the king only can be one troll is a pia
jmo
Rj

 

[Jack Dupp]

The troll took a very benign post that was giving a neutral perspective, and turned it into a 10 of what it was never supposed to be.

We need less toxic trolls, and more standing together without trying to eat each other that absolutely changes NOTHING. But the problem with that? One side wants "my way of doing it or the highway" and this is a fatal approach. This is a culture war of hearts and minds, and going after people that gave apolitical POV (that was already pro gun), is not winning my heart or mind over.

These anti 2A's are just as bad as the our own that have chosen to be toxic. This place needs less going after supporters of the AR15 regardless of how one feels about braces good or bad, and more thinking of ways to unite and organizing and getting our neighbors to start doing things, like donating to GoA and our own ACDL.

It's funny hearing that from you when you are notorious for condescension and sowing discord here.

 

[Cubiclerevolt]

Jesus f*** Christ, the senseless bickering in these threads on these forums is why we continue to fight such a losing battle.

Too busy cirlce jerking and bullshitting each other, while millions of other people and rouge organizations are all just nodding their head in agreement saying "whatever, they'll all be banned eventually"

+1.

 

[h8pvmnt]

I read that they also seized all sales records at Polymer 80, and some of those customers have already been visited.
I would expect that ATF is sifting through those records, looking for identifiable felon purchasers. Upon finding those, and tracking them down, they will likely be selected to be the cases they will bring forth to showcase the "why" the legislation soon to be proposed is supposedly necessary. The timing is important. So, in order to have such prosecutions ongoing at or about the same time as the legislation is being proposed during the spring session, ATF has to get their butts in gear now. This timing is purposeful.

This is the most likely situation. From what i read they have not even charged the owners of polymer 80 or arrested them. There testing the waters or fishing if you will. The GP will be easily talked into the false narrative by the media. Did polymer 80 try and circumvent Federal Law? Supposedly the "kits" they were selling was the issue. That will be a question for the courts but by the time its done regardless of the outcome they will be ruined financially and the damage to our rights will continue. Its just going to get worse. The Pistol Brace debacle has already started as well. This is a well organized machine to destroy the 2nd amendment.

 

[cool arrow]

They're testing the waters or fishing if you will. The GP will be easily talked into the false narrative by the media.

This is a well organized machine to destroy the 2nd amendment.

EXACTLY.

 

[Jack Dupp]

The troll took a very benign post that was giving a neutral perspective, and turned it into a 10 of what it was never supposed to be.

We need less toxic trolls, and more standing together without trying to eat each other that absolutely changes NOTHING. But the problem with that? One side wants "my way of doing it or the highway" and this is a fatal approach. This is a culture war of hearts and minds, and going after people that gave apolitical POV (that was already pro gun), is not winning my heart or mind over.

These anti 2A's are just as bad as the our own that have chosen to be toxic. This place needs less going after supporters of the AR15 regardless of how one feels about braces good or bad, and more thinking of ways to unite and organizing and getting our neighbors to start doing things, like donating to GoA and our own ACDL.

It's funny hearing that from you when you are notorious for condescension and sowing discord here.

Even funnier? That false narrative of yours. The most interesting thing here within the inner circle, is that I continue to live rent free.

Continue eating your own, is that the SOP here? Because that's what I've seen mostly from this clique of the older board. Not sorry I am not kissing the rings of their unwritten pecking order, nor am I going to not have a right to my opinions.

But do continue, your witch hunt solves nothing. Our current problems with a rogue agency and a hostile and very fraudulently "elected" idiots will NOT be solved by trying to hang me. But if you all so DO, then please do tell. I'm all ears on how eating our own ever solves anything. I will wait to hear this one, HOW ARGUING with ME using *straw man's will FIX the ATF's stance on braces.

I gave a benign post. It triggered a troll that fully admits to trolling for a reaction, albeit not the one just like you, falsely painted. That trolled and got his behind slapped for it, was handled. If you cannot argue my message, you move to undermine or other uses of a fallacy to argue with, such as your false logic about me.

*an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.

**I never gave an argument pro or against, Just why it was read as being with the ATF, is not my problem, I'm not the one that showed reading comprehension issues.

False narrative? Inner circle? Clique? Eating my own?

What are you talking about? I'm my own man. You can look through my history if you're so inclined. I'm not part of any circle here or any clique. And I haven't said anything about the subject at hand. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of the things you say and accuse others of doing (while acting like you're completely innocent of doing those exact things). I'd suggest either dialing down the ego a notch or two or getting some professional help.

 

[cool arrow]

what was the topic of this thread again?

it's been so long and so far off topic that I forgot...must be getting old.

 

[XJThrottle]

In other "braces are gay as Aids" news...

I had bought a brace set-up from a fella a while back because it came with a LAW folder (the folder is what I wanted). Now trying to separate the folder body from the tube has proven near impossible. Clown must've used RED loctite and a hidden weld to set it. Ruining the tube as I type.

F' pistol braces......