Reloading for Carry?
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High Standard
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Boriqua said:
Yeah, you might be overthinking it as a tenth either way won’t make much of a difference. But hey, it is your gun, your equipment and your rules. Make your ammo any way that pleases you. That’s the beauty of this hobby. Everyone has their way and everyone here isn’t afraid to let you know how WRONG you always are. :lol:
Harrier
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I think your wrong about that...
You guys are funny!!
Well .. I took twice as long as necessary I suppose but I started using my powder drop and then freaked myself out and switched to the funnel and dipper. If a round doesnt work when I am punching paper(which has only happened to me once when I first started) its annoying
If a zombie is trying to claw my face off in a desperate attempt to eat whats left of my brain the rounds have to work so ... a little extra time and attention made me feel better.
Think I will stick to range fodder!!
Although I already tested these before loading this batch I am still going to take a few to the next range visit and test some from this batch before loading them in a mag.
Well .. I took twice as long as necessary I suppose but I started using my powder drop and then freaked myself out and switched to the funnel and dipper. If a round doesnt work when I am punching paper(which has only happened to me once when I first started) its annoying
If a zombie is trying to claw my face off in a desperate attempt to eat whats left of my brain the rounds have to work so ... a little extra time and attention made me feel better.
Think I will stick to range fodder!!
Although I already tested these before loading this batch I am still going to take a few to the next range visit and test some from this batch before loading them in a mag.
Is submerging ammo for a year a good enough test?
I did this as a real test instead of just listening to gossip.
Factory 45acp and my reloads.
Pulled 20 rounds of each out every month over a period of a year.
Every single one fired and grouped.
No dead primers... no wet powder...
Not as much fun as gossip though! LOL
I did this as a real test instead of just listening to gossip.
Factory 45acp and my reloads.
Pulled 20 rounds of each out every month over a period of a year.
Every single one fired and grouped.
No dead primers... no wet powder...
Not as much fun as gossip though! LOL
was21 said:
I've done similar things. I'm using a couple of powders and some primers that spent 2 weeks outside in -40 degree Fahrenheit weather, then were sitting in a garage for around 30 years at temps from 20 degrees Fahrenheit to around 140 degrees Fahrenheit, and now are sitting in a garage at around 120 degrees or so.
It all goes bang every time.
I have even submerged primers.
Let them dry out and they all went off fine.
Some people don’t know that priming compounds are inserted into the cups as a wet slurry and allowed to dry in.
But gossip is so much more fun! LOL
“ pursuit of inconsequential increments” Cooper
Oh and don’t anybody tell Alex the real secret for loading carry ammo which is .............................
Let them dry out and they all went off fine.
Some people don’t know that priming compounds are inserted into the cups as a wet slurry and allowed to dry in.
But gossip is so much more fun! LOL
“ pursuit of inconsequential increments” Cooper
Oh and don’t anybody tell Alex the real secret for loading carry ammo which is .............................
Boriqua said:
I have carried my own defense ammo for a couple years now. I don't tar seal them or primer seal but I have the ability to do that. I have washed rounds in a washing machine and they all worked, most people forget how hard it can be to pull a bullet and primers seal well too. Only thing I do different from range ammo is I only use new cases for carry ammo and on my loading machines I remove resizing dies and swaging rods as they don't need it. I do not make them into +P rounds and I make sure they are slightly under the velocity of the hotter carry ammo. Other than this load them up and don't worry about it.
High Standard
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Many many years ago I bought some commercial ammo, I believe they were Gold Dots. I put 6 rounds in my revolver and loaded 2 speed loaders and kept them next to the revolver. I left the remainder in the box in a ammo can. There they sat for about 10 years. I cleaned and lubed that revolver a few times during the 10 years. I kept the same 6 rounds in the revolver. I figured it was time to rotate the ammo out. I took them to the range and the first one did not go bang. That round was part of the 6 that I kept in the revolver all those years. It was a bit of a sobering thought. I took it apart and the primer did not ignite.
Harrier
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High Standard said:
if a revolver...Pull the trigger again
if a semi.. do failure drill- slap, rack, trigger ...and hope it wasn't a squib
High Standard
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That is one reason I use revolvers. And no it was not a squib. Just a primer that refused to do it’s job.Harrier said:
samnev
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I've been reloading for 40 years and can count one 1 hand the number of rounds that were duds. But I only use commercial ((at Present Critical Defense) when I carry.
Well took them out for a test run today. Glad I did .. the Sig 229 ate them up like it wasnt a thing and I STILL love the round. My Sig is a lot like my Gp100. I think if I could get a primer in a pile of poop it would fire out of those guns.
My M&P ... no joy. On three mags loaded with 6 rounds each the second one up would fail to go into battery. Now my first round was an aluminum case factory round and plenty soft, followed by 5 of my new rounds.
Number 1 would fire .. number two would require a tap and 3,4,5,6 would fire normally.
Still ... It was an experiment and I learned something. So I may just use these in the sig and keep using the factory rounds I have for the M&P. The M&P never fails with factory rounds or my new 165 grain reloads but the Sig has never failed to eat anything I put in it.
I think the corners on the new brass were to defined .. Maybe I am crazy but it seemed to hang there? The same spicy loads using used brass works fine through the M&P.
My M&P ... no joy. On three mags loaded with 6 rounds each the second one up would fail to go into battery. Now my first round was an aluminum case factory round and plenty soft, followed by 5 of my new rounds.
Number 1 would fire .. number two would require a tap and 3,4,5,6 would fire normally.
Still ... It was an experiment and I learned something. So I may just use these in the sig and keep using the factory rounds I have for the M&P. The M&P never fails with factory rounds or my new 165 grain reloads but the Sig has never failed to eat anything I put in it.
I think the corners on the new brass were to defined .. Maybe I am crazy but it seemed to hang there? The same spicy loads using used brass works fine through the M&P.
well now, did you take a look at nose of boolit, had the same issue on a taurus, my reloads would'nt go into battery without assistance, so after much ado, we discovered the lead on the barrel was a tad less than all the other shooters i use reloads in, now the problem could be resolved by dropping boolit into case a tad farther a few thousands, but that was not the issue so to speak, it came across more that the one type of boolit was the issue the ogive was a tad different, enough to cause it to hit the lead and enough to stop it from going into battery, leaving a few almost negligible marks on boolit, they would shoot with a little nudge, but as we all know a semi auto is paramount inlieu of the nudgeamatic.
so had the lead cut a tad deeper, and low and behold success, and to confirm as i usually go two deep in most platforms, tried it in a factory unit, and had same issue as original, so off it went to smith to get a ream.
i do not have ammo and do not want to have ammo that works in specific gats, especially of one caliber. Best to resolve problem and initiate fix asap, and continue the confidence one has in factory.
happy thursday, just glad to make another one
Rj
so had the lead cut a tad deeper, and low and behold success, and to confirm as i usually go two deep in most platforms, tried it in a factory unit, and had same issue as original, so off it went to smith to get a ream.
i do not have ammo and do not want to have ammo that works in specific gats, especially of one caliber. Best to resolve problem and initiate fix asap, and continue the confidence one has in factory.
happy thursday, just glad to make another one
Rj
dkizis
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i would never carry reloads . if you think they would always cycle with out problems. i always carry factory
Bottom Gun
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Some of my pistols have never fired a round of factory ammo.
I would never carry a hand-load round for defense UNLESS there was a complete unavailability of quality personal protection factory ammunition. Why? Two reasons:
1) Reliability and quality control. If I'm carrying Federal HST LE JHP124gr 9mm I'm thoroughly tested and proven personal protection round that outside of truly extraordinary situations is going to go bang when the pin hits the primer. It is also a round that has been proven time and time again to be seriously lethal (for a hand gun round anyway). So - it is a round that is going to do the job - and it is a round that has a huge amount of R&D behind it... Do I trust my hand-loads.. Yes. Do I have the same level of quality control - especially on stuff loaded on the progressive... not hardly.
2) Factory personal defense ammunition is a standard. "It is what it is." If I carry Federal HST LE JHP 124gr 9mm I am carrying a round that is carried by thousands of law enforcement personnel in their duty guns. If I were to use my firearm in my defense and a liberal county attorney chooses to put me through the wringer for it (think about the retired teacher who killed a man while hiking and the Coconino County Attorney persecuted him despite the local law enforcement asserting that they believed that he acted in self defense) I've taken away the opportunity for them to grand stand in front of the jury painting me as a blood-thirsty gun nut who made his own rounds that were particularly / unnecessarily deadly... You can bet that they will do this if you shoot someone with hot hand loads and an anti-gun prosecutor decides that they want to make an example out of you. Carrying factory ammunition takes this away from them.
Just my 2 cents...
1) Reliability and quality control. If I'm carrying Federal HST LE JHP124gr 9mm I'm thoroughly tested and proven personal protection round that outside of truly extraordinary situations is going to go bang when the pin hits the primer. It is also a round that has been proven time and time again to be seriously lethal (for a hand gun round anyway). So - it is a round that is going to do the job - and it is a round that has a huge amount of R&D behind it... Do I trust my hand-loads.. Yes. Do I have the same level of quality control - especially on stuff loaded on the progressive... not hardly.
2) Factory personal defense ammunition is a standard. "It is what it is." If I carry Federal HST LE JHP 124gr 9mm I am carrying a round that is carried by thousands of law enforcement personnel in their duty guns. If I were to use my firearm in my defense and a liberal county attorney chooses to put me through the wringer for it (think about the retired teacher who killed a man while hiking and the Coconino County Attorney persecuted him despite the local law enforcement asserting that they believed that he acted in self defense) I've taken away the opportunity for them to grand stand in front of the jury painting me as a blood-thirsty gun nut who made his own rounds that were particularly / unnecessarily deadly... You can bet that they will do this if you shoot someone with hot hand loads and an anti-gun prosecutor decides that they want to make an example out of you. Carrying factory ammunition takes this away from them.
Just my 2 cents...
