Question for the Vietnam vets...

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WRMorrison

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...or anyone 16+ years old while the war was going on. I wasn't born until '74, so I only know what I'm told. I've watched countless movies & documentaries on the subject over the years, but none of them has made more sense to me than the Ken Burns documentary I'm currently in the middle of watching. Maybe because his style of commentary isn't as dry and I can pay more attention; I don't know. I've had a few relatives that served over there (an uncle in the Army/173rd ABD at Da Nang, a cousin in the Marines at Khe Sanh, and a few others), and I've heard a few of their opinions/stories (typically told to me second-hand).

I want to know your opinion on whether or not the U.S. was right to get involved in the conflict.

No one can see the future or the cost we would ultimately pay. Personally, I can see both sides of the coin, but I guess I'll never know how I would've felt since I wasn't there. On one hand, I can see where it was important to prevent the spread of communism (if too many "dominoes" fall, sooner or later it'll be 50:1 against us). I also see how we might have wanted to support the French; our allies from WWII.

On the other hand, I say it's none of our business what type of government the Vietnamese want, be it communism, democratic republic or otherwise. I can also see how the Vietnamese would see any foreigner in their country as an invader; no matter how righteous they claim to be.

I think both JFK and LBJ had the best of intentions (and I admire the style of both), but LBJ's habit of not telling the whole truth to the public about our level of involvement did much more harm than good. I read somewhere that during JFK's short time in office, was the last time that the American people believed that their government had their best interests at heart and wouldn't lie to them.

So many questions...

No one really knows what they'd do in any situation until they're actually in it, but as a Marine myself, I would have went since that's what my country asked of me. Not sure I would have personally agreed with it, but I would have went nonetheless and did my job to the best of my ability. Hopefully, I'd have been able to make the right decisions along the way.

-WRM
 
I didn't serve in Viet Nam but I was in the Navy during that war. It was a sad time in the history of this country.

Soldiers came home after risking their lives to be spit on and called baby killers. Many of those soldiers didn't volunteer for that duty either. We had the draft in those days and draftees most often ended up in Viet Nam.

It was not a lot different politically than wars we get ourselves into today. But we now have a volunteer military and that is probably one of the main reasons our wars now are not as unpopular. Another significant reason is that we have terrorism to motivate us to fight the current wars. Viet Nam was all due to the threat of Communism which most people at the time could not directly relate to.

Whether a war is justified often comes down to how it is sold to the public. The government didn't have much to work with in the days around the Viet Nam war to motivate the public's desire to fight.

Patriotism took a big hit due to the Viet Nam war. Protests against that war were common and often with lots of people participating. Not all of them were hippies either. People in every walk of life were against that war. To speak out in favor of it was just not done. That is except for political gain by politicians.

I'm not a historian so I can't explain how things developed politically but you can probably imagine there was at least as much corruption then as there is now in politics.
 
Like I prefaced this thread with earlier, all I know is what I'm told; I'm sure there's a lot I'm not being told and I can never know as much on the subject since I wasn't around to experience it. Judging by the lack of response to this thread, I can only guess that it's still either too sensitive to talk about for some people or it's one of those, "if you don't have something nice to say..." type of things.

From what I gather, it seems a lot like it dragged on much longer than it should have just for the sake of LBJ's pride and not wanting to admit he was wrong (not necessarily wrong to get involved, but wrong to think we would win it easily). I think McNamara even became disenchanted with the whole mess around '66, but LBJ wasn't listening anymore.

-WRM
 
"I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

its what i believed the first time around
 
A couple of quotes from a movie that more or less explained my attitude, as i'd never voiced it till i saw this almost 18 years ago.

When I go home people'll ask me, "Hey Hoot, why do you do it man? What, you some kinda war junkie?" You know what I'll say? I won't say a goddamn word. Why? They won't understand. They won't understand why we do it. They won't understand that it's about the men next to you, and that's it. That's all it is.




Once that first bullet goes past your head, politics and all that shit just goes right out the window.


You either do it, live it or walk away from it, politics do nothing for the field soldiers, except get them killed needlessly.
 
WRMorrison said:
Like I prefaced this thread with earlier, all I know is what I'm told; I'm sure there's a lot I'm not being told and I can never know as much on the subject since I wasn't around to experience it. Judging by the lack of response to this thread, I can only guess that it's still either too sensitive to talk about for some people or it's one of those, "if you don't have something nice to say..." type of things.

From what I gather, it seems a lot like it dragged on much longer than it should have just for the sake of LBJ's pride and not wanting to admit he was wrong (not necessarily wrong to get involved, but wrong to think we would win it easily). I think McNamara even became disenchanted with the whole mess around '66, but LBJ wasn't listening anymore.

-WRM


I attempted to give you a little bit of a feel for the mood in the country. Rj told it like those of us who were in the military generally viewed the Viet Nam war. Not all but many. Draftees were not so much attached to that philosophy. But they still had to take the oath even if they had no choice.

Not sure what it is you want to know otherwise. If you want to understand the politics of that or any other war, you might need to read more history books. To understand how those of us "experienced" that time in history, well, we tried.
 
knockonit said:
A couple of quotes from a movie that more or less explained my attitude, as i'd never voiced it till i saw this almost 18 years ago.

When I go home people'll ask me, "Hey Hoot, why do you do it man? What, you some kinda war junkie?" You know what I'll say? I won't say a goddamn word. Why? They won't understand. They won't understand why we do it. They won't understand that it's about the men next to you, and that's it. That's all it is.




Once that first bullet goes past your head, politics and all that s*** just goes right out the window.


You either do it, live it or walk away from it, politics do nothing for the field soldiers, except get them killed needlessly.
Yes.
 
Had a friend pass 4 years back, he was a seal, 3 tours in Nam, mid 60's. I know he was baptized way too may times, trying to find forgiveness after service. And I know too much of what he was ordered to do. Going there cost 57,000 for America, way too heavy a price for nothing and much more to many others.
I hope Bob, my friend, you are finally at peace.
 
I thought we were right to be there in the 70's, but once I studied the history of Vietnam I can't believe how wrong we were.
 
I was 8 when the POWs came home from Nam' in the early and mid 70's. My dad was stationed at Norton AFB in California at the time so we either greeted them at Norton or March AFB. Don't remember a lot but I remember being on the airfield to watch them disembark.

When I joined the Air Force in the mid-80s there was still a LOT of service connected lifers that I could ask questions as they taught us ABGD tactics that were real lessons, not just some book crap. Won quite a few 'wargames' later based on their instructions.
 
Something on the subject--

https://america-wake-up.com/2017/04/09/george-roof-presidents-ive-known/

I'm not sure about everything he says, but it sheds some light on history.
 
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