Pistol Brace ruling from ATF released.

[pneuby]

Initial review, as he has not yet had time to read through it all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOZ_6XC51CI

It is 293 pages!

 

[campinginaz]

Some people have brought up a good point. While this whole thing is stupid and we all know it's about registration and revenue, if you can get a free tax stamp why not?

I have an AR9 that I had built last year with an arm brace. I was already thinking of making into an SBR and I bought the lower at a gun shop so Uncle Sam knows I have it since I filled out a 4473. If I get a free tax stamp they still know I have it lol. It won't be my first tax stamp either so why shouldn't I?

When life gives you lemons....

 

[Solar_Empire]

Some people have brought up a good point. While this whole thing is stupid and we all know it's about registration and revenue, if you can get a free tax stamp why not?

I have an AR9 that I had built last year with an arm brace. I was already thinking of making into an SBR and I bought the lower at a gun shop so Uncle Sam knows I have it since I filled out a 4473. If I get a free tax stamp they still know I have it lol. It won't be my first tax stamp either so why shouldn't I?

When life gives you lemons....

Don't forget that in order to get the "free" stamp you have to send a picture of the firearm for the atf to determine if it qualifies for the "free" stamp. In other words, you are handing them evidence that you've committed a felony by knowingly having a brace on a pistol after this "determination" and not having the approval. There was a thread about this awhile back with a lawyer making a video explaining it. The government can and will @$$ screw you at any given opportunity.

 

[Gunslinger808]

Uncle Sam knows I have it since I filled out a 4473.

Here’s the thing, Uncle Sam has no idea what you bought other than it was a long gun, handgun, or other.

 

[campinginaz]

Initial review, as he has not yet had time to read through it all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOZ_6XC51CI

It is 293 pages!

This was a pretty good video. I learned something of why SBRs and SBS was added in the 1930's. I didn't know they wanted to make handguns NFA items.

 

[campinginaz]

Some people have brought up a good point. While this whole thing is stupid and we all know it's about registration and revenue, if you can get a free tax stamp why not?

I have an AR9 that I had built last year with an arm brace. I was already thinking of making into an SBR and I bought the lower at a gun shop so Uncle Sam knows I have it since I filled out a 4473. If I get a free tax stamp they still know I have it lol. It won't be my first tax stamp either so why shouldn't I?

When life gives you lemons....

Don't forget that in order to get the "free" stamp you have to send a picture of the firearm for the atf to determine if it qualifies for the "free" stamp. In other words, you are handing them evidence that you've committed a felony by knowingly having a brace on a pistol after this "determination" and not having the approval. There was a thread about this awhile back with a lawyer making a video explaining it. The government can and will @$$ screw you at any given opportunity.

This is a great point, I had forgot about that thread but I remember it now and I watched that video. I mean it's only $200 maybe I should just stop being cheap lol.

 

[campinginaz]

Uncle Sam knows I have it since I filled out a 4473.

Here’s the thing, Uncle Sam has no idea what you bought other than it was a long gun, handgun, or other.

I just learned something thank you! I figured since the serial number is on there they would know. Also off topic I think I remember you from the old forum and I did business with you. Do you do Class 3 stuff?

 

[Tenring]

Wonder how this effect's future sales of ar pistols with/without braces.....are they now NFA?

 

[campinginaz]

Wonder how this effect's future sales of ar pistols with/without braces.....are they now NFA?

I don't think they would be. Just won't be able to shoulder them as that is what 99% of us used the brace for anyways.

 

[Brlux]

Getting an SBR engraved was one of my personal hangups with doing them in the past. If I understand correctly that is no longer a requirement.

This comes from page 14

if the firearm is already marked, the person registering the firearm pursuant to Final
Rule 2021R-08F may adopt all of the original manufacturer or importer markings when registering
the
firearm, to include the name, city, and state of the original manufacturer or importer as identified on
the frame or receiver of the firearm.

 

[Tenring]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxa-0youn4A&t=768s

 

[Tenring]

Wonder how this effect's future sales of ar pistols with/without braces.....are they now NFA?

I don't think they would be. Just won't be able to shoulder them as that is what 99% of us used the brace for anyways.

And there you have it, advertised as NFA:

https://grabagun.com/q-sugar-weasel-pist-300blk-7.html?trk_msg=GB6897F2SP74V3T2DBT5BAKA8G&trk_contact=G3G32H1F8N750QNVIH1MHON3F4&trk_sid=AFPEDRIDTSOBR75UQRHCTVCP0C&trk_link=V67H13A02RU491RHS3E80FFTAK

 

[Winmagbill]

Wonder how this effect's future sales of ar pistols with/without braces.....are they now NFA?

I don't think they would be. Just won't be able to shoulder them as that is what 99% of us used the brace for anyways.

And there you have it, advertised as NFA:

https://grabagun.com/q-sugar-weasel-pist-300blk-7.html?trk_msg=GB6897F2SP74V3T2DBT5BAKA8G&trk_contact=G3G32H1F8N750QNVIH1MHON3F4&trk_sid=AFPEDRIDTSOBR75UQRHCTVCP0C&trk_link=V67H13A02RU491RHS3E80FFTAK

That might be just a left over tag from the Honeybadger listing. The other 2 braced pistols, a DD and Noveske, are tagged Semi Auto Handguns - Tactical.

 

[samnev]

Let’s see where this goes, it won’t be long before an injunction is filed and then the whole thing will end up in court.
I think FATF has way overstepped once again, but with the recent SCOTUS ruling in West Virginia vs EPA precedent has already been set for overturning their brace ban.

I agree with Gunslinger808. Typical ATF overreach :naughty: :naughty:

 

[Gunslinger808]

Uncle Sam knows I have it since I filled out a 4473.

Here’s the thing, Uncle Sam has no idea what you bought other than it was a long gun, handgun, or other.

I just learned something thank you! I figured since the serial number is on there they would know. Also off topic I think I remember you from the old forum and I did business with you. Do you do Class 3 stuff?

Yup, still doing it.
Hey, it’s my beer drinking money!

 

[campinginaz]

Here’s the thing, Uncle Sam has no idea what you bought other than it was a long gun, handgun, or other.

I just learned something thank you! I figured since the serial number is on there they would know. Also off topic I think I remember you from the old forum and I did business with you. Do you do Class 3 stuff?

Yup, still doing it.
Hey, it’s my beer drinking money!

Nice!

 

[sonofbp]

so with a wave of their tiny aft hands there is no such thing as an AR pistol, anything with a barrel under 16" that has a buffer tube is now an sbr...

"(4) whether the surface area that allows the weapon to be fired from the shoulder
is created by a buffer tube, receiver extension, or any other accessory, component,
or other rearward attachment that is necessary for the cycle of operations;"

Hopefully this leads to the death of the entire unconstitutional shit show that is chevron deference and at minimum damages the aft and the nfa in general. Complete bs.

 

[TheAccountant]

so with a wave of their tiny aft hands there is no such thing as an AR pistol, anything with a barrel under 16" that has a buffer tube is now an sbr...

"(4) whether the surface area that allows the weapon to be fired from the shoulder
is created by a buffer tube, receiver extension, or any other accessory, component,
or other rearward attachment that is necessary for the cycle of operations;"

Hopefully this leads to the death of the entire unconstitutional s*** show that is chevron deference and at minimum damages the aft and the nfa in general. Complete bs.

Nice rant, but that’s not what that paragraph is saying.

 

[kenpoprofessor]

so with a wave of their tiny aft hands there is no such thing as an AR pistol, anything with a barrel under 16" that has a buffer tube is now an sbr...

"(4) whether the surface area that allows the weapon to be fired from the shoulder
is created by a buffer tube, receiver extension, or any other accessory, component,
or other rearward attachment that is necessary for the cycle of operations;"

Hopefully this leads to the death of the entire unconstitutional s*** show that is chevron deference and at minimum damages the aft and the nfa in general. Complete bs.

I've got two AR pistols that have no buffer tubes, and a few more with "just" a buffer tube. :mrgreen:

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

 

[thom]

I have not done any of the SBR forms before .Is there anyone willing to give a class on them for a fee? Also do you need fingerprint cards for each braced pistol?
Thanks
Thom