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Pima Pants said:
I have added some content lately to legitimately up my post count. I wonder if I become a paid member, will I then have access to the classifieds? Or must I continue to post my inane drivel so that someday I will finally have access? I guess I am asking if I can buy my way into access to the classifieds?

Patrons get access to the Classifieds after 30 days. Guaranteed access is removed if patron support is dropped.

https://www.arizonashooting.org/forum/app.php/site-support

This was added as an alternative way to 'support the community' for those that just don't want to post and contribute in a non-monetary way.
 
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RandyTF said:
For me the best part of this site are the jokes and cartoons but that's just me. I do post occasionally when I see a thread that interests me and it has been enough posts to continue to look at and participate in classified ads. So I don't really think the policy is that strict.

But, since there is a classified section, it would be great if it were expanded to aid all of us who are enthusiasts to have a bigger audience. It has gotten a lot more difficult these days for private folks to sell guns to each other. Opening that up to more people would be a great service. Something that would also be 2nd Amendment friendly.



As you've hopefully read (since I've posted it countless times), the purpose of this site is NOT to act as a venue for buying/selling firearms. It's not "Backpage Lite". That is NOT the reason this site exists - it's an added benefit to the members who actively participate as contributing members of the AZS community.

Further, remember that those jokes and cartoons you enjoy wouldn't be there if someone wasn't providing that content. Like that's a draw for you, other firearm-related posts and content is what brings others to the board for them to read, comments and discuss - not just passively read it. The key is that people need to actually provide that content - and the more that's provided, the more people chime in on it, more discussion occurs and more content is generated. The "occasional posters" or the ones that just like to browse and read without participating - which has been the vast majority of people on this site - don't help in that regard. We need to change that metric so that the majority - or at least a considerable amount more - provide content rather than just consume it.

You are forgetting or conveniently ignoring that fact that it isn't free to run a web site. It requires monthly hosting expenses that scale as usage increases, code upkeep, updates, time spent maintaining, etc. While I've been paying that out of my own pocket for 2 years now, that's not sustainable long-term and the hope of all web sites like this is to offset that with advertising revenue or membership fees to at least break even by covering the operating costs, or make a bit to cover time and other intangibles spent by me or developers. To make a site attractive to advertisers (we have ZERO after 2 years), you need to have more visitors, more people, more users. To bring in more users and people, you need to have more fresh, new and relevant content. Letting *everyone* post/read ads, might attract more people, but provides little to no new content as they rarely post. Look at the number who are "complaining" about the enforcement of the new policy who have been around for 2 years and have 10 posts - how is that helpful to the AZS community?

But if you insist that you only want access to the classifieds and don't want to help by spending some of your time and knowledge by providing some content, you can just put your money where your mouth is and become a patron supporter of the site to get access to the classifieds. Either way, if you want to use just that one feature (the classifieds), you have those two options - but I can't afford to keep paying out of my own pocket indefinitely for everyone's convenience. That's the bottom line. People who are complaining seem to think they are entitled to this and that I should pay for them to be able to use it. I don't understand that mentality.



Geesh.... I thought I was offering a constructive suggestion. Didn't expect a lecture. I do understand that running this site is time consuming and comes with some costs. I am not totally void of that type of consideration. And I do participate in discussions if I have something to offer. But a lot of talk on here and other sites is not interesting and sometimes down right useless information to me. I do read lots of posts but didn't realize I was a dreg on the system by not commenting on most. I can add my comments if it helps but they might simply be more nothingness.

Sorry to step out of line if that is what my comments amount to.
 
AZ_Five56 said:
I'm a brand new member, so I haven't experienced this in and out business, but I understand why that would be frustrating. I also understand that they're making it a privilege to the active/trusted users in the group, and that has a huge benefit as well.

I'm selling a couple guns elsewhere right now, and I just had a guy flake out on me yesterday. No call, no show. It really sucked, especially after I reconfigured a rifle with a different stock because he didn't want to pay for the expensive Sage EBR that was mounted on it. I understand life happens and someone may have committed to come, but they have to bail for a legitimate reason. I just wanted to know about it in my case, and I believe that was a simple courtesy they could have provided.

I think having a more closed exclusive group would encourage grown-up behavior instead of flakiness. Just my two cents (coming from someone who can't even access the classifieds).

If it is designed to benefit trusted users then why have a trading rating system in place? Let's face it a lot of people came to this site as a remedy for Backpage being closed. It seems silly that they are stepping away from the business model of allowing items to be sold as this is a huge part of their site's population and seems like its a bad business model. Admin please reconsider you are alienating your clientel.
 
laabstract said:
If it is designed to benefit trusted users then why have a trading rating system in place? Let's face it a lot of people came to this site as a remedy for Backpage being closed. It seems silly that they are stepping away from the business model of allowing items to be sold as this is a huge part of their site's population and seems like its a bad business model. Admin please reconsider you are alienating your clientel.

The purpose of this site is NOT a "Backpage Lite". I don't want it to be that; never have, never will.

Business model? Clientele? You seem to be suggesting that I am somehow making money from this site. That's laughable. It's a hobby site that I am in a position to run at my expense because I enjoy it, with the hopes of one day getting enough ad revenue or patrons so that I can operate it as a zero-sum game.

Frankly, people who are here to ONLY use classifieds are net drains on the site, and extrapolating it out, the more that visit for just the classifieds, the more it will cost me.

I'm not alienating anyone; I haven't banned anyone, nor blocked anyone. The purpose and goal of this site has never been a secret. It's plastered on the ToS, the registration agreement, the CoC and all over - has been for 2 years. If people choose not to read it, it's not my fault. Members have had plenty of time to ramp up and be a part of the community over the last 2 years while the site has been wide open. Those that are complaining have chosen not to do so in the last 2 years, or (those with more legitimate 'complaints'), have joined the site very recently.

Either way, this site is NOT intended to compensate for Backpage being gone; not at all. For what it's worth, if Backpage was such a viable business model, a replacement for it would already exist in the years that it has been gone.
 
laabstract said:
If it is designed to benefit trusted users then why have a trading rating system in place? Let's face it a lot of people came to this site as a remedy for Backpage being closed. It seems silly that they are stepping away from the business model of allowing items to be sold as this is a huge part of their site's population and seems like its a bad business model. Admin please reconsider you are alienating your clientel.

I hear the frustrations, but I don't know if it can be called a business model if we're not all paying customers. This isn't really a classified site. It seems like that's more an added benefit for the participating members. Keep in mind, this is coming from someone that can't even access the classifieds.
 
AZ_Five56 said:
laabstract said:
If it is designed to benefit trusted users then why have a trading rating system in place? Let's face it a lot of people came to this site as a remedy for Backpage being closed. It seems silly that they are stepping away from the business model of allowing items to be sold as this is a huge part of their site's population and seems like its a bad business model. Admin please reconsider you are alienating your clientel.

I hear the frustrations, but I don't know if it can be called a business model if we're not all paying customers. This isn't really a classified site. It seems like that's more an added benefit for the participating members. Keep in mind, this is coming from someone that can't even access the classifieds.


and it appears you get it. :clap:
 
knockonit said:
AZ_Five56 said:
laabstract said:
If it is designed to benefit trusted users then why have a trading rating system in place? Let's face it a lot of people came to this site as a remedy for Backpage being closed. It seems silly that they are stepping away from the business model of allowing items to be sold as this is a huge part of their site's population and seems like its a bad business model. Admin please reconsider you are alienating your clientel.

I hear the frustrations, but I don't know if it can be called a business model if we're not all paying customers. This isn't really a classified site. It seems like that's more an added benefit for the participating members. Keep in mind, this is coming from someone that can't even access the classifieds.


and it appears you get it. :clap:

+1 Someone has been paying attention! :clap:
 
Pipedoc said:
OH-man has been around a long time, I have done several deals with him and he is a great guy to do business with. Welcome back Steve, get your post count up and you'll be back on the ad's in no time.


Thanks Pipedoc for the confidence.
Yes I have been around a long time and true I have not been posting much in the last two years.
I do not have a problem with the rule changes.
I understand it costs money to run these sites and the fellows that put it up for us to use should do it as they feel will work the best.
Look forward to posting more.
 
AZ Husker said:
Feel free to become a financial supporter. I get a lot more from this forum than the few bucks it costs me!

Great advise, I may look into that option.
Thanks Man
 
So, even after paying support, despite being a member back into the .com days, we still have to wait 30 days to see the classifieds after just being dropped a couple of days ago?

I'll be the first to admit 90% of my posts have been in the classifieds. I come here and read stuff in other forums, but choose not to get into pissing matches with know it alls...several exist here. I'm a gun enthusiast, not a gun expert.

It's cool -- I'm more than happy to financially contribute, but I would hope 100% access would be granted when someone becomes a financial supporter.

Edit: Interestingly enough, after making this one reply, I can see the classifieds again. :think:
 
I was locked out also. Just post and you will get access. I have enjoyed being more active.
 
I also can not access the classifieds but I think it is a good idea to not let everyone in right away. I don't like not being able to go in and look around but I believe it will be a better experience when I can and do. Now you just have people who are part of the community doing business. I like that.
 
Honestly, it doesn’t take that long. Just we an active member of the board and you will have access in no time.
 
OH-MAN said:
Many thanks to the powers that be.
I made it back in.
Thanks again!

Just remember, it's not permanent. ie, it's not something that once you get in, that's it. If your activity drops, you stop posting, etc... you will lose access.
 
I have thousands of excellent posts on other shooter sites. I know a hundred quality Arizonans on those sites as friends that I never see here. I keep trying.

Each time I come here, in comparison, I see very little new content of interest. So I don't come here much.
The admin/owner has decided on fewer of what he considers quality members than folks who don't contribute as much as he would like.
It's his choice. He pays for it and runs it the way he thinks best.
If you don't like it, go somewhere else; I still drop by because I'm from AZ and still try to contribute and keep it alive. I don't want it to die like the last one.
I offer this post to that end.

The new commitment to stop "gaming" of the system seems futile. The users didn't set up the rules of the game. If you want to stop "gaming"; don't make it a game to get through.

I get kinda a feeling of elitism; but I know I get insulted easily. Only the worthy gets to fully share?
I don't think that's what was intended at all by the admin !!!
I think that's just the way it worked out. Unintended consequences.

The admin seems intent on running a good site. I just believe he made an error in determining electronic games would Just keep the riffraff out. Some rules keep the good out as well as the bad.

I hope you accept this post the way it was intended.
Prescut
 
You’re not going to get what your asking from members. It’s counter productive. Just a thought. All other sources for private sales have been destroyed. Just some food for thought.
 
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