Panic Buying Over Yet?

[azman]

I was on vacation the last few weeks, and it involved a few trips around the state. After going in stores everywhere I stopped, I can say this is by far the worse I've ever seen the panic buying.... and I'm talking going back to 94' and the Crime Bill/AWB time frame.
With the election coming up, I wouldn't expect the supply to catch up to demand anytime soon.

 

[Noshoot]

Supply will remain down due to manufacturing in many states coming to a standstill because of some virus or something keeping employees home...

 

[Miker12]

Sportsmans in north Phoenix had a line of 20+ when I was there. Only one douche wearing a mask that I saw.

Hi why is it wrong to wear a mask?

IF you want to wear a mask, wear a mask...couldn't give an F either way. It is usually the masked people making the remarks. But if you need some science, please enjoy yourself to some studies listed below.

Saying that wearing a mask is about compassion is meant to guilt you into doing something that for most is not necessary. Why not educate folks about masks, which has not been done. Compassion is about educating people and then letting them decide
N95 masks for which professionals are fit tested provide significant protection. Surgical masks of a certain type provide some level of protection, but that decreases as standard/quality of the mask decreases. Cloth masks provide marginal to zero real protection. This does vary based on the material used to create the mask.
The idea of a cloth mask was born out of a concern that N95 or protective surgical masks would run short. A 2010 study (1) using regularly available cloth determined that cotton masks were nearly 97% penetrable immediately by small viruses. We also learned that any gaps in the masks decreased protection by 50%. So, if the mask is 3% effective with a perfect seal, the rate of effectiveness in theory would drop to 1.5% when not sealed properly.
I completely understand the theory behind recommending people wear a mask. However, when we assess the theory versus the reality of regular people donning masks in public we find that the largest majority do not fit, are not being worn properly, and have been rendered wholly ineffective. My concerns are echoed by others who are medically and/or scientifically trained i.e. masks worn by nontrained people using alternative materials not properly fitted to their face are not effective. In fact, they may provide a false sense of security that could lead to increased spread not decreased.
I encourage people to understand the limitations of cloth masks as well as lesser surgical masks and make your own decision. If after researching the data you decide that wearing a mask is something you should do, then you should absolutely wear one and no one should ridicule you for your decision. However, if after researching the data you decide that wearing a mask is something you do not need to do, then you should not wear one and should not be shamed for your decision.

1) Samy Rengasamy, Benjamin Eimer, Ronald E. Shaffer, Simple Respiratory Protection—Evaluation of the Filtration Performance of Cloth Masks and Common Fabric Materials Against 20–1000 nm Size Particles, The Annals of Occupational Hygiene, Volume 54, Issue 7, October 2010, Pages 789–798, https://doi.org/10.1093/annhyg/meq044
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20584862/

"There is no specific evidence to suggest that the wearing of masks by the mass population has any potential benefit. In fact, there's some evidence to suggest the opposite in the misuse of wearing a mask properly or fitting it properly." - WHO

“A 2010 study using regularly available cloth determined that cotton masks were nearly 97% penetrable immediately by small viruses.”

Samy Rengasamy, Benjamin Eimer, Ronald E. Shaffer, Simple Respiratory Protection—Evaluation of the Filtration Performance of Cloth Masks and Common Fabric Materials Against 20–1000 nm Size Particles, The Annals of Occupational Hygiene, Volume 54, Issue 7, October 2010, Pages 789 798, https://doi.org/10.1093/annhyg/meq044

https://academic.oup.com/annweh/article/54/7/789/202744

“2020 study showed significantly better protection from cloth masks than the above 2010 study. One caveat, the better protection in the 2020 study was provided by silk, chiffon, and tightly woven cotton with batting.”

Aerosol Filtration Efficiency of Common Fabrics Used in Respiratory Cloth Masks
Abhiteja Konda, Abhinav Prakash, Gregory A. Moss, Michael Schmoldt, Gregory D. Grant, and Supratik Guha
ACS Nano 2020 14 (5), 6339-6347
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsnano.0c03252

“Although surgical mask media may be adequate to remove bacteria exhaled or expelled by health care workers, they may not be sufficient to remove the submicrometer-size aerosols containing pathogens to which these health care workers are potentially exposed.”
Chen CC, Willeke K. Aerosol penetration through surgical masks. Am J Infect Control. 1992;20(4):177‐184. doi:10.1016/s0196-6553(05)80143-9
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1524265/

Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97% and medical masks 44%....the results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection.
MacIntyre CR, Seale H, Dung TC, et al
A cluster randomised trial of cloth masks compared with medical masks in healthcare workers
BMJ Open 2015;5:e006577. doi: 10.1136/bmjopen-2014-006577
https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/bmjopen/5/4/e006577.full.pdf

 

[curt1950]

Prescott has "stuff" no panic buying here Prescott Valley as well. Its not cheap but you can get it. I had LRK do some work for me on a M-18 Nice shop.

 

[NBC_LT]

Sportsmans in north Phoenix had a line of 20+ when I was there. Only one douche wearing a mask that I saw.

Hi why is it wrong to wear a mask?

It is not wrong to wear a mask, it is polite to do so in public places where physical distancing is not possible. I enjoyed the references about face masks being incapable of complete filtration of incoming particulates to the users - no surprise. However, to claim that a mask would not limit expulsion of aerosolized sputum from the mask wearer would be contrary to easily quantifiable observations - see New England Journal of Medicine (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2007800).

 

[62Grains]

Cabelas, Sportsmans, Tombstone, Randalls, Lone Wolf, and shooters world are all pretty low on inventory and I am still seeing good sized lines at different places to purchase guns.

 

[brandyspaw]

I judge it by the number of non-gun people who are still upgrading to better guns. There's still more and more people who are now motivated to want something besides their old rimfire rifle or their old hunting rifle. As long as there's more people, who aren't gun enthusiasts, that are looking to buy we'll continue to see shortages in inventory and higher guns and ammo prices.

 

[Cubiclerevolt]

It is not wrong to wear a mask, it is polite to do so in public places where physical distancing is not possible. I enjoyed the references about face masks being incapable of complete filtration of incoming particulates to the users - no surprise. However, to claim that a mask would not limit expulsion of aerosolized sputum from the mask wearer would be contrary to easily quantifiable observations - see New England Journal of Medicine (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2007800).

Man gtfo here with that. It's social conditioning to accept the "new normal".

Hard pass.

The only time I will wear a mask is if it is a private business and I need something from them that i cant get anywhere else.

Most of these businesses it seems are trying to outdo one another on the most ridiculous requests.

 

[azman]

Man gtfo here with that. It's social conditioning to accept the "new normal".

Hard pass.

The only time I will wear a mask is if it is a private business and I need something from them that i cant get anywhere else.

Most of these businesses it seems are trying to outdo one another on the most ridiculous requests.

I totally agree... it is being used to create a constant visual reinforcement to the "severity" of the situation, and helps "legitimize" the supposed need to shut down the country and take control of your behaviors.

But... I take it a bit further, and have boycotted any business that "requires" one. I have learned to do without frequenting a few places I would love to visit because they choose to mandate it. Their business, they can do what they want, but so will I.

 

[Flash]

Man gtfo here with that. It's social conditioning to accept the "new normal".

Hard pass.

The only time I will wear a mask is if it is a private business and I need something from them that i cant get anywhere else.

Most of these businesses it seems are trying to outdo one another on the most ridiculous requests.

I totally agree... it is being used to create a constant visual reinforcement to the "severity" of the situation, and helps "legitimize" the supposed need to shut down the country and take control of your behaviors.

But... I take it a bit further, and have boycotted any business that "requires" one. I have learned to do without frequenting a few places I would love to visit because they choose to mandate it. Their business, they can do what they want, but so will I.

I'm with you guys. I've never worn a mask and I never will.

 

[xerts1191]

What about Halloween

 

[knockonit]

the big buy is far from over, amazing how many local shops are out of units, and can't even get them, i've been looking for a few on my ''have to'' list, not cheap units either, so when i get a notice they are in, by time i can pull them up, out of stock, bummer, but figure it won't be long till maybe a sell off will happen, but am not gonna hold me breath any.
happy sunday
Rj

 

[smithers599]

My prediction: The shortages and panic buying will continue until the election. If Trump loses, then the guns and ammunition we have in our houses right now will be the last we will ever have.

 

[mrbogangles]

Is it me or are prices starting to rise?

I have been in the market for a smaller gun but never pulled the trigger as it was not on my priority list.

Seeing prices now they are creeping up.

 

[DRTDIVR]

Is it me or are prices starting to rise?

I have been in the market for a smaller gun but never pulled the trigger as it was not on my priority list.

Seeing prices now they are creeping up.

Most places and people are taking advantage of the situation and increasing the prices. It's a demand issue from what I'm seeing. I wanted to pickup a a G43X in black but it's like a unicorn now.

Ammo prices have doubled and it's still being purchased in mass quantities by new and tenured shooters alike. Who know when thats coming back...

 

[gunpoorboy1]

What am I overlooking here? Yea, there's a shortage of hand guns in the brick and mortar stores but that's because it's a simple case of walking in and buying them. The web sites I've visited, i.e., Bud's guns, Grab-a Gun, Gun Broker etc., have tons of guns, again, unless I'm over looking things here. They also don't seem to be over priced. Ammo, yes, a little, but still a lot out there if you are willing to pay for it. You may have to purchase in a little different way than normal, but hell, it's easier to still buy a gun than it is to find a consensus on whether to wear a mask or not, especially on this sight.

 

[Solar_Empire]

What am I overlooking here? Yea, there's a shortage of hand guns in the brick and mortar stores but that's because it's a simple case of walking in and buying them. The web sites I've visited, i.e., Bud's guns, Grab-a Gun, Gun Broker etc., have tons of guns, again, unless I'm over looking things here. They also don't seem to be over priced. Ammo, yes, a little, but still a lot out there if you are willing to pay for it. You may have to purchase in a little different way than normal, but hell, it's easier to still buy a gun than it is to find a consensus on whether to wear a mask or not, especially on this sight.

I check a list of websites everyday looking for deals (oh the joys of a bachelor with no kids) and prices have gone up, at least for the semi autos. Some more than others of course. A lot of websites look like they have stock but once you filter it out they only have a few "desirable" models. Glock 17/19 are gone, shields are up $100, S&W 380 EZs are up $60, etc. Can you get a gun? Yes, but probably not the one you want. Looks like higher end stuff, 22 pistols, and revolvers are sitting normal.

Ammo will never return to normal. I believe Federal announced earlier this year (before this whole mess) that ammo prices were permanently increasing with other manufactures echoing that. I know the .40 I like has jumped 7 cents per round, .45 a whopping 12 cents, the 7.62x39 I like 8 cents per round. 22LR of all rounds seems to be the most stable, go figure.

I'm just glad I've bought cheap and stacked deep. I picked up a ton of ammo before SCOTUS screwed us on online sales tax and picked up all the firearms on my short list in 2019 for the impending election year.

 

[Cubiclerevolt]

But... I take it a bit further, and have boycotted any business that "requires" one. I have learned to do without frequenting a few places I would love to visit because they choose to mandate it. Their business, they can do what they want, but so will I.

Agree with a caveat. I'm trying to keep my friends who are self employed open. My friend who is a barber is just trying to feed his family and someone in the location where he is at snitched on him for not "social distancing" and or "wearing masks". So while dealing with a bunch of Karen's he has to play along or gets his suite closed down.

This is one of the times I would acquiesce for the sake to help a friend who has done the same for me.

 

[Cubiclerevolt]

My prediction: The shortages and panic buying will continue until the election. If Trump loses, then the guns and ammunition we have in our houses right now will be the last we will ever have.

Trump is going to win. Ignore the media. Outside of social media where the risk of doxxing is null. Trumpland remains strong.

People are seeing the left for what they are and the ones in the middle know that while we might disagree with the way someone lives or wants to play house with or what bathroom they want to go in, we're FAR more live and let live than that side is.

Not to mention that gun control is pretty much dead and is proving the exact point we all to varying degrees have been saying for years. I myself alone have been approached by over 20 people asking me for help and advice and I'm not even that much of a "gun guy" as I am a "gun rights guy".

All the states that are on full lockdown and battleground states I might add are currently held by Dem leadership and the residents are SUPER pissed at them. This is why they are pushing so hard for the mail in ballots. They know.

They all know that it's game over once Biden gets up on that debate stage.

Hang tight. Work your networks. We're all friends here and we all need to stick together. It's going to be wild come all the way to November 3rd.

 

[smithers599]

But... I take it a bit further, and have boycotted any business that "requires" one. I have learned to do without frequenting a few places I would love to visit because they choose to mandate it. Their business, they can do what they want, but so will I.

Agree with a caveat. I'm trying to keep my friends who are self employed open. My friend who is a barber is just trying to feed his family and someone in the location where he is at snitched on him for not "social distancing" and or "wearing masks". So while dealing with a bunch of Karen's he has to play along or gets his suite closed down.

This is one of the times I would acquiesce for the sake to help a friend who has done the same for me.

Country Clipper in downtown Chandler? Yeah, I heard about that.

I don't wear a mask voluntarily, but for those occasions when I can't avoid it, I keep a Trump 2020 mask in my pocket.

I was at Fashion Square, and the Mask Bouncer at Crate & Barrel said No mask, no entry. So I put on my Trump 2020 mask. The next night, rioters looted and trashed Crate & Barrel. I wonder why the Mask Bouncer didn't block the door and tell them they couldn't come in without their masks.

Anyway, back to the original topic, ammo shortages:
I have enough to get me through a year or two, but I want to acquire more in case Trump loses and the supply is cut off permanently. I check the websites every day, and all I am seeing is Out Of Stock, Out Of Stock, Out Of Stock.