Not a good shoot, but a good story

[smithers599]

I have done a lot of "scenario" shooting -- Fun House, FATS, force-on-force -- but this is one scenario that I have not encountered.

http://concealednation.org/2018/08/woman-shoots-masturbating-bicyclist-attempting-to-break-into-her-home/

 

[Crippledtrigger]

Bigmama said go away! Instead he starts jerking and reaches for the door. Catches one center mass thru the door. Good shoot.

Reminds me of Dirty Harry when he says he shot the guy for attempting to rape and the mayor asks how do you know he was going to rape her? Well when I see a naked guy with a hard on chasing a girl I figure he's not out collecting for the red cross. The mayor says you know I think he's got a point.

I wouldnt care if she shot him as soon as she opened the door to a naked man standing there.

 

[smithers599]

The problem with shooting a naked guy through an opaque door is that you are unable to get a flash sight picture.

 

[Steve_In_29]

Good for her....too bad he is going to live and cost the taxpayers even more money.

Would have been even funnier if she had jerked her shot low and shot him in the dick.

 

[smithers599]

Good for her....too bad he is going to live and cost the taxpayers even more money.

Would have been even funnier if she had jerked her shot low and shot him in the d***.

Good "jerk" joke. :clap:

 

[shooter444]

Not a good shoot, but a good story
#1 Post by smithers599 » Yesterday, 4:46 pm

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smithers599,
I read it and reread it, but, I just can't figure how this was " "NOT A GOOD SHOOT...",... help me out guy, what was bad about this shoot?

thanks

 

[Steve_In_29]

Well technically until he actually broke the door or a window and attempted to enter she was safe inside.

The other possible issue about it was she shot through a door (article doesn't state what type of door) and thus might not have been able to be 100% sure where her bullet could end up. Miss perv and hit passerby on sidewalk?

 

[smithers599]

Not a good shoot, but a good story
#1 Post by smithers599 » Yesterday, 4:46 pm

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I read it and reread it, but, I just can't figure how this was " "NOT A GOOD SHOOT...",... help me out guy, what was bad about this shoot?

thanks

Reasonable question.
First, let's define "good." If "good" means "I'm glad she shot the son of a bitch," then this was a good shoot. We are all glad she shot the son of a bitch. But if "good" means "legal," then it's problematic.

Arizona's Justification statute says that the shooting must be "immediately necessary." As noted in the article, and by Steve_in_29 above, we don't know if she was shooting through a screen door, or a glass door, or an opaque door. We don't know if the door was locked. We don't know if the guy was just banging on the door and yelling, or if he was a second away from getting in. If she was safe inside, and just shot because she was scared, then the shooting was not "immediately necessary."

However, this happened in Texas, so let's look at the Texas statute on Justification:

Sec. 9.32. DEADLY FORCE IN DEFENSE OF PERSON. (a) A person is justified in using deadly force against another:
(1) if the actor would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.31; and
(2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the deadly force is [highlight=yellow]immediately necessary[/highlight]:
(A) to protect the actor against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force; or
(B) to prevent the other's imminent commission of aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery.
(b) The actor's belief under Subsection (a)(2) that the deadly force was immediately necessary as described by that subdivision is presumed to be reasonable if the actor:
(1) knew or had reason to believe that the person against whom the deadly force was used:
(A) unlawfully and with force entered, [highlight=yellow]or was attempting to enter unlawfully and with force[/highlight], the actor's occupied habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment;

If a psycho is attempting to break in, even with "force" (banging on the door vs. using an axe?), TX law says the presumption of "immediately necessary" is reasonable. (AZ law does not have that language.) But it doesn't say it is reasonable, just that it is presumed to be legal. A presumption is not a conclusion; a presumption can be rebutted. If the prosecutor proves to the jury that it was a strong door with a strong lock and the psycho was attempting to enter ineffectively, then the presumption can be overcome.

Second, as the article pointed out, and Steve_in_29 wrote, the shooting might have been justified, but still reckless. In the AZ CCW outline, the example is shooting back at an active shooter/gangbanger who is trying to kill you (you are justified), but you just do a mag dump in the general area while the psycho is standing in a crowd of innocent bystanders (you are reckless). The reason Shotgun Joe Biden was ridiculed when he advised us to "fire a couple blasts through the door" is that you might miss the psycho and hit the neighbor across the street, or the police officer responding to the 911 call. Generally, the Biden Technique is not a good idea.

Seems to have worked out well for her here, though.

 

[Crippledtrigger]

First this is in Texas. Secondly any reasonable person would at least fear that a forceable rape was initiated. We won't even waste time on the leeway Texas gives property owners in defense of such property. Finally she has no duty to retreat and wait to see if he's just collecting for Sexual predators auxiliary association.

In addition there are qualifiers regarding disparate force and how he may have elevated criminal trespass to a justification by the addition of his intent and the presence of the owner and a minor granddaughter. The fact he decided to attempt entry even after being told no, seeing an armed home owner who locked the door and said she would defend herself clearly shows he wasnt intending nice things. Again she has no duty to wait till he completes his forced entry to defend herself.

No, she is clearly justified.

While she didnt know this at the time the puke is a repeat offenders getting arrested for nearly the same crime a few days earlier.

 

[shooter444]

Not a good shoot, but a good story
#1 Post by smithers599 » Yesterday, 4:46 pm

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I'm sorry smithers599, I wasn't clear enough.

I want to know why you titled your post, with the judgment statement, that it was not a good shoot?

 

[smithers599]

Not a good shoot, but a good story
#1 Post by smithers599 » Yesterday, 4:46 pm

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I'm sorry smithers599, I wasn't clear enough.

I want to know why you titled your post, with the judgment statement, that it was not a good shoot?

Because (a) even if he was an evil rapist, murderer, and registered Democrat with a burning desire to harm her, if there was a locked door between them, then the danger was not imminent, and shooting was not "immediately necessary," and (b) shooting blindly is unwise.

You are correct; I am assuming that the danger was not imminent and she shot out of fear, not necessity.

Here is a video with an image of the door. https://www.dreamindemon.com/2018/08/08/masturbating-bicyclist-shot-woman-houston-neighborhood/

You don't have to agree with my conclusion, but I hope I have answered your question. Shooting through a door is rarely a good idea.

 

[knockonit]

I"ll tell you what amazes me, you all will be the first to say the news isn't real, its drama, its blah blah blah, and here you are passing
judgement on a shoot that is coming from the news, which in my opinion is always one sided to the side i have no interest in.

Wtf knows when how, and why, only she does, and to think that a news service , reporter whether supposedly gun friendly or not is gonna really put the actual event out there.

i'm just glad none of you so called experts are not ever gonna be on a jury that will be in charge of the future of someones life.

boy howdy,

 

[Crippledtrigger]

So the guy jerking off on his bike in the street is told stop being a perv. Instead of stopping or leaving he approached the lady who goes back in her house. He then trespasses and comes to her door. She tells him to leave and locks the door. He then continues jerking off and attempts entry after being told no and told he will be shot and she locks the door.

I'd say she is in immediate danger of a sexual predator entering her home who has no regard for the law property lines and locked doors and its pretty obvious where he is and who's on the other side of the door. No great mystery here. She's not blindly shooting at a noise. She has already basically retreated into her home. Where should her right to act start. I'd say she's given enough ground already and if a mastubating naked man even enters my yard with me between him and my family he's lucky to get a phuck you before catching one.

Based on his actions The threat was iminate as soon as he entered the property. Why else would a naked masturbating man follow a woman onto her property?

I'll agree blindly shooting thru a door at an unknown threat isnt the smartest thing to do but that's not the case here. Again the magic of a locked door doesn't diminish the threat in this case. This isnt a bump in the night. Even if it were TX assumes such people are up to no good as they have no reason to be where they dont belong except for intentional bad acts. In such cases people are routinely cleared for shooting thru doors windows and at shadows. Granted I wouldnt always agree with those shootings but they are routinely no billed by Texas grand jury's all the time.

 

[smithers599]

We disagree. That's OK. You are welcome to disagree.
I understand your point of view, and by now I presume you understand mine.

 

[shooter444]

Because (a) even if he was an evil rapist, murderer, and registered Democrat with a burning desire to harm her, if there was a locked door between them, then the danger was not imminent, and shooting was not "immediately necessary," and (b) shooting blindly is unwise.

Really, no one seems to know about the TYPE of door, but, I can tell you with GREAT confidence, 90% of all doors are easily forced open. Why should she wait for him to break in the door, or a window, before defending herself against someone obviously in a psychotic state of mind. You do realize not all who are shot go down like a limp wrist snowflake! He could break in, get shot on your moral terms, and then kill her.

You are correct; I am assuming that the danger was not imminent and she shot out of fear, not necessity.

MY GOOD MAN, he is nude, followed her from the public street and masturbating on her porch while trying to get in,... just when would you classify the DANGER as EMINENT?

Here is a video with an image of the door. https://www.dreamindemon.com/2018/08/08/masturbating-bicyclist-shot-woman-houston-neighborhood/

You don't have to agree with my conclusion, but I hope I have answered your question. Shooting through a door is rarely a good idea.

Yes, I don't agree with you, but I do thank you VERY MUCH for your explanation!!! And, I would like to leave you with this thought. If that woman was your mother, I don't doubt for a moment that arriving after the shoot, you would give her a long hug, telling her everything is all right, you did what you had too!

 

[Desert Rat]

Interesting story, thanks for the TX law snippet, it is helpful to read through the document to get a better understanding. I read through the AZ one a while ago, I think I will read it again with this perspective in mind.
I think it is a bit difficult to know what exactly too place, was get banging on the door and shaking the hinges off? Maybe that might make someone feel in imminent danger. As someone else mentioned, it is difficult to know all of the variables without actually being there.
I do agree, that if the door was solid, shooting through it does bring up the safety issue of what else may have been hit.

 

[smithers599]

Like I said, I am glad she shot the son of a b****.
As a general matter, the Biden Technique is always problematic.
One thing we know for sure is that he was not carrying a concealed weapon. His weapon was fully exposed.

 

[shooter444]

Another thing we know is, there was NO SAFETY ISSUE of shooting through the door, because she hit her target and nothing else! If she had missed, and sent a bullet to who knows where,... yes, then we could be talking about a potential safety issue.

 

[RandyTF]

Rj is probably right. Maybe we didn't get the truth of the story at all.

Could be the sexy 68 year old went out to ask him to join her in a little slap and tickle.
Guy says okay I'll be right there. He gets to the door and she slams it and shoots a hole in it and him.
Just a devious grandma. You neva know...

 

[omegaman]

"hope this man pulls through" LMAO jerkoff got what he deserved