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This could really screw us over....
This could really screw us over....
Newsomes 28th amendment
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I'd fear Bigfoot more than the prospect of such an absurd Amendment to our Constitution or advent of Communism in the USA.
Can you imagine 2/3 approval from both houses of US Congress, or a constitutional convention getting such an amendment to the second step of 3/4 vote of State Legislatures or 3/4 State Ratifying Conventions making that gun control pipe dream amendment part of the US Constitution in our lifetime? In today's political environment, I doubt any left or right proposal would make it through step #1.
When the congressional "Squad" and Senator Bernie Sanders are the closest to - but yet so fundamentally far from the core tenants of Communism - I don't think we ever have to worry about the abolition of private property or legal tender in our lifetimes.
More than ever before, the only thing to fear is fear itself. Yesterdays conspiracy theories about President Roosevelt facilitating Pearl Harbor are just as illegitimate as todays surrounding rigged elections and other baloney. I'm confident that we will collectively, as an electorate, evolve past the siren song of todays drama queens and civil war fantasists.
Can you imagine 2/3 approval from both houses of US Congress, or a constitutional convention getting such an amendment to the second step of 3/4 vote of State Legislatures or 3/4 State Ratifying Conventions making that gun control pipe dream amendment part of the US Constitution in our lifetime? In today's political environment, I doubt any left or right proposal would make it through step #1.
When the congressional "Squad" and Senator Bernie Sanders are the closest to - but yet so fundamentally far from the core tenants of Communism - I don't think we ever have to worry about the abolition of private property or legal tender in our lifetimes.
More than ever before, the only thing to fear is fear itself. Yesterdays conspiracy theories about President Roosevelt facilitating Pearl Harbor are just as illegitimate as todays surrounding rigged elections and other baloney. I'm confident that we will collectively, as an electorate, evolve past the siren song of todays drama queens and civil war fantasists.
Sometimes you just have to change people's minds, through whatever actions are needed. Even if they are idiot politicians
Half Cocked
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NBC_LT said:
President Roosevelt did facilitate the Pearl Harbor disaster. It is not a conspiracy theory.
Disregarding the repeated protests of his Commander in Chief, US Fleet, Admiral James Otto Richardson, FDR took it upon himself to order the US Pacific fleet to be based at Pearl Harbor. After repeatedly imploring Roosevelt to move the Pacific fleet back to the west coast, Richardson was sacked by his boss.
The decision to move the US Pacific fleet to Hawaii was Roosevelt's alone.
https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/fdr-bluff-relocating-us-fleet-to-pearl-harbor
But it didn't stop there. When politicians f*ck things up they go into cover-their-ass, blame someone else mode. And that is what the weasel Roosevelt did.
Roosevelt appointed his crony, US Supreme Court Associate Justice Owen Roberts, to head the Roberts Commission to investigate the Pearl Harbor cluster f*ck. From the text of the report itself:
"The purposes of the required inquiry and report are to provide bases
for sound decisions whether any derelictions of duty or errors of
judgment on the part of United States Army or Navy personnel contributed
to such successes as were achieved by the enemy on the occasion
mentioned, and, if so, what these derelictions or errors were, and who
were responsible therefor."
This whitewash was limited to finding a scapegoat for Pearl Harbor from United States Army or Navy personnel although "Admiral" Roosevelt should have been included in the investigation since he was Commander-in-Chief of the military. Instead Admiral Husband Kimmel and General Walter Short were the ones who got reamed.
In his memoirs, Admiral Richardson stated that, "I consider that, after Pearl Harbor, Admiral Kimmel received the rawest of raw deals from Franklin D. Roosevelt and, insofar as they acquiesced in this treatment, from Frank Knox and "Betty" Stark."
As for the Roberts Commission, Admiral Richardson said, "In the impression that the Roberts Commission created in the minds of the American people, and in the way it was drawn up for that specific purpose, I believe that the Report of the Roberts Commission was the most unfair, unjust, and deceptively dishonest document ever printed by the Government Printing Office."
Admiral Richardson on the military members of the Roberts commission: "I cannot conceive of any honorable man being able to recall his service as a member of that commission without great regret and the deepest feeling of shame. The military members of the Roberts Commission (Admiral William H. Standly, USN (Ret.), Rear Admiral Joseph M Reeves, USN (Ret.), Major General Frank R. McCoy, USA (Ret.) and Brigadier General Joseph T. McNarney, USA (Ret.)) were later rewarded for their services by favorable assignment and promotion, or employment after retirement, but I cannot believe that such rewards were adequate compensation for their supine service to the President. Its procedures should have outraged every American."
Half Cocked said:
Over 80 years of investigation into Pearl Harbor and all you can muster for disparaging a US President and countless other Department of War (at that time) employees (military and civilian) and servicemen is nothing more than mere statements of opinion regarding the fleet stationing and a Congressional Commission from Admiral Richardson? There is no evidence that President Roosevelt had any intention of sacrificing the Pacific Fleet for entrance into the war. At worst, and as stated by Admiral Richardson himself in his memoirs, Japan merely called President Roosevelt’s “bluff” (overextension) about being able to project strength that far from the continental US at the time. Unfortunately, this will remain an absurd conspiracy theory until you, and others easily duped against a President unpopular to conservative America, can actually find compelling documentation or evidence otherwise.
Yes, Admiral Richardson did not want to move the Pacific Fleet Headquarters to Hawaii, Guam or any of the other Pacific territories. So what - big deal - hardly “evidence” of any kind of a rogue President inviting destruction upon a fleet! Yes, Admiral Richardson thought that Admiral Kimmel got a raw deal, many other Admirals did and some did not share that opinion - so what - again no evidence or proof of a demented President inviting murder of Americans. Admiral Richardson speaks to this himself in his memoirs “On the Treadmill to Pearl Harbor” - there were plenty of circumstances (policy and personalities) that led to General Order 143 that reorganized/modernized much more for the Navy than merely where the Pacific Fleet was stationed.
Admiral Richardson was a gentleman and had more class than to falsely accuse a US President and our military/civilian defense over a disagreement. Admiral Richardson had no need to embellish or advance dishonest theories because his position of moving the fleet to Hawaii as an overextension power-play bluff was called by Japan - he was correct. Unlike other historical revisionists, Admiral Richardson never stooped to the level of ignorance and malfeasance to accuse President Roosevelt of any intention to have the Pacific fleet destroyed or even attacked. The difference between Admiral Richardson and the conspiracy theorists yesterday and today dementing his positions/opinions since 1941 is that he had a sense of honor and maturity to be content with being right about Pearl Harbor offering a Pacific adversary a convenient place to strike.
Half Cocked
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NBC_LT said:
You've really gone off the rails on this one. Where did I say that Roosevelt invited the murder of Americans? The fact is indisputable that Roosevelt and Roosevelt alone ordered the Pacific Fleet to Hawaii. I never said that Roosevelt intended to sacrifice the Pacific Fleet. He probably ordered the Pacific Fleet to Hawaii because of sheer stupidity and this stupidity led to the Pearl Harbor disaster.
Yes I did contradict your absurd statement. So what? There is no dispute that Roosevelt's actions to move the Pacific Fleet to Hawaii caused the loss of many American lives and the loss of many American ships.
kenpoprofessor
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NBC_LT said:
Pretty sure the next thing you'd write is Biden is a great president and that LHO killed Kennedy. Can you prove, with empirical evidence, that which you write???? If so, I'd like to see it, and the sources.
Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day
Clyde
Half Cocked said:
Nope, the assertion that President Roosevelt facilitated the Japanese attack upon Pearl Harbor and subsequent mass murder of Americans not yet at war remains a conspiracy theory. Claiming that President Roosevelt facilitated the Japanese sneak attack at Pearl Harbor is, by definition, asserting that President Roosevelt “made (something – i.e. attack of Pearl Harbor/murder of Americans) easy or easier” (Merriam-Webster), which is further contextualized in the two supporting definition hierarchal “senses” in Merriam-Webster. Both of these definition senses by Merriam-Webster for facilitate provide linguistic context to the facilitator or facilitation - clarifying as “to help bring something about” or “to help make something run more smoothly and efficiently”. Therefore, your assertion that President Roosevelt “facilitated” the Pearl Harbor attack would at minimum contend that President Roosevelt took action to help/make/”bring about” the attack itself at Pearl Harbor or maximally make it more efficient/smooth.
President Roosevelt was indeed accountable as Commander in Chief for the attack on Pearl Harbor, but certainly did not facilitate the action/attack of the Japanese by merely bringing the fleet to Hawaii. Applying your logic, would you consider the past 6 US Presidents authorizing our Navy to conduct Freedom of Navigation Operations (FNO) in the South China Sea as potentially "facilitating"/helping/making more efficient a Chinese PLA attack on one of our FNO ships or taskforces if that had happened? Applying your logic, did President GW Bush facilitate the 9/11 terrorist attack by not having the FAA install crew cabin locks on airplane doors or establish the TSA to conduct enhanced passenger screening - or can you only make that leap of faith into philosophical suicide only when it was a Democratic Party US President? Applying my logic, President GW Bush would be accountable for 9/11 as CIC, but certainly not a facilitator. I would also assert that if the current or future President abides by international law and allows our Navy to conduct FNO’s – they would be accountable if the US Navy is attacked but far from assuming the role of a facilitator.
kenpoprofessor said:
At this time I consider President Biden’s term to be marginal. I would elevate such an opinion to mediocre if his administration would have done a better job with the Afghanistan withdrawal.
At this point I do consider the assassination of President Kennedy by anyone other than LHO to be extremely speculative – the only reason I would not fully consider it a “conspiracy theory” at this time is due yet again to the definition of a conspiracy theory. Merriam-Webster offers a definition "sense" for conspiracy theory to contextualize/clarify it as involving “a secret of great importance is being kept from the public”. I consider assertions of LHO not acting alone or being framed as highly improbable but not dismissed (for the time being) since all of the Freedom of Information Act petitions have not yet been fulfilled/approved for the Kennedy assassination (reports of Congressional Committees), as they have for Pearl Harbor and it’s subsequent Committees and investigations.
As far as offering “empirical evidence” to what I write, that is another matter and very confusing. To offer empirical evidence would require evidence “based on observation or experience” (to which I have none in the Pearl Harbor attack), or evidence relying on Empirical Data “capable of being verified or disproved by observation or experiment”. Typically, when people use the term empirical evidence, they are discussing evidence obtained by unbiased testing interpreted through the most appropriate statistical test(s). What “empirical evidence” could I possibly offer since Pearl Harbor happened before I could observe it? What of the 14 data types acceptable for empirical statistical analysis could possibly lead to statistical test(s) proving or disproving the assertion that President Roosevelt "facilitated" the Pearl Harbor attack?
If you are requesting citation of sources, I had already done that, as having the time to research the following prior to my answer to Half-Cock:
General Order 143:
https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/Admin-Hist/USN-Admin/USN-Admin-4.html
On the treadmill to Pearl Harbor : The memoirs of Admiral James O. Richardson as told to George C. Dyer:
I cannot link this source to you as it is not available online for free. However, I was able to easily download it from UA library and I suspect your local public library would offer the same download.
Do you need me to offer the pages linked in the sources above to my expressed interpretations? You ask for my sources after they were already initially provided…
kenpoprofessor
Member
NBC_LT said:
Are you a college professor? It seems you've spent an inordinate amount of time in academia. Your writing, spelling, punctuation, and syntax, all lead me to believe that you've overloaded on information and shorted something. Bottom line here is: Neither one of us can prove anything we're writing, so, it's just our opinions on what we have discovered as, what could be construed as, evidence. It's not.
The mere fact you think Biden would be marginal if not for the collosal phuck up in Afghanistan is more telling than you may think. Me thinks you should put your firearms away and surrender to your government post haste.
Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day
Clyde
kenpoprofessor said:
Hey Clyde-
No, never a professor - only held the worthless (in academia) title of "adjunct faculty" in Nuclear Engineering and Public Health. Being the regulatory and research safety expert in both my academia and military workplaces always placed me on the short call list for lazy professors, law enforcement commanders, and public health officials that welcomed opportunities for someone else to do their job and teach their students/recruits/new employees. I would take such opportunities only in the hopes of providing those students/newbies instruction from someone with practical experience of such complex systems/science that mastery of theory alone cannot suffice as true education.
You are correct that in as so far as spending an inordinate amount of time of my life in academia - 28+ years of dealing with folks like that can rub off on ya like fresh dog poop on a new carpet - which makes me grateful to keep in touch with my blue-collar friends and family - as well as the folks on this forum. Both the conservative and liberal have their own equally sinister tribal methodologies of argumentative dismissal, so I genuinely value good-faith engagement. I'll never dismiss or disparage your or Half-Cocked's patriotism because you have a different style of expression or opinion. Opinions change through dialogue.
As far as my opinion about President Biden being marginal, I should clarify as to which margin... certainly not the exceptional. I actually met President Biden on the stairs of the Capitol leading from the underground tram on an awesome tour of DC in 2005 that Senator McCain's office provided to members of my VFW hall. In his younger years, President Biden must have been in campaign mode 24/7 - as he recognized the tour leader from Senator McCain's office - and "welcomed" us to the Capitol by uninvitedly interrupting the tour - in the middle of the busy stairway nonetheless - to try to shake hands with as many of the tour group would offer saying "Joe Biden, welcome to the Capitol". Thankfully, there were no observations of awkward smelling or touching...
C'mon, labelling someone as mediocre is hardly a compliment and I feel fitting the definition: "of moderate or low quality, value, ability, or performance". It seems that the expression of alarmist drama amongst my conservative acquaintances is just as problematic as the snide snobbery of my liberal acquaintances. My point in the last reply was to challenge logical fallacies of claiming that President Roosevelt facilitated the attack of Pearl Harbor. Another logical argument I would make to Half-Cocked would be, "Do you view President Trump as facilitating the January 6th riot"? My logos, (barring any new evidence) would view President Trump as accountable as our chief executive at that time, but far from the role of a facilitator.
As far as surrendering my firearms to our government, that is highly unlikely. As the most likely Constitutional mechanisms for that would require a Constitutional Convention to purge the second amendment and significant subsequent legislation likely to never pass muster in the Supreme Court. The wisdom of our founders saw to placing appropriate checks and balances to deter such tyranny. Besides, the role of an armed citizenry as an effective bulwark to state tyranny is rapidly degenerating due to emerging technologies that are likely to render the firearm obsolete. Our government has been sure to already classify the arising generation of direct energy weapons as well as remote or AI controlled kinetic delivery systems of harm (drones) as beyond the protections of the second amendment. I see it probable that the firearm will become reduced to the limited utilities of collection, entertainment, hunting, personal protection against non-state criminal actors, and terrorism within the next 20 years. That is what worries me, the systematic exclusion to evolving weaponry available to the citizen's role in checks and balances.
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