MOA vs MIL

[TheAccountant]

still use these guys
https://www.leupold.com/

these are good too
https://www.swfa.com/

say hi to the bad guy
https://valdada.com/

Bad guy as in piece of shit?

 

[TheJediknight]

Bad guy as in piece of s***?
[/quote

fixed it...

thank you..

;o)

 

[admin]

I've had an IOR Valdada and while that was more than a decade ago, my experience was that the optic I had (was an adjustable magnification one), had among the best glass out there (S&B quality), but that the tracking and robustness was mediocre, at best. Perhaps things have changed in 10+ years.

 

[TheAccountant]

That’s always been the problem with them. Great glass, terrible mechanics.

 

[TheJediknight]

well i believe you because i never had one

thanks for the info

you're right....

fixed it.

yea the tracking and repeatability is important

this is what i went with in my budget and needs and turrets and reticles and good manual and matching up ballistics with my rounds and ranging....i went MILS...

https://www.leupold.com/vx-3i-lrp-65-20x50-side-focus-ffp-tmr-riflescope

https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/leupold-vx-3i-lrp-rifle-scope

 

[BigNate]

My view is that this is like "Ford vs Chevy" - they both make trucks, both trucks work, they each have relative strengths and weaknesses.

I am personally learning both - and want to be able to use both naturally. That may not be "smart" but it is my way - I can't choose and the prepper in me wants to be sure that I have a reasonable understanding of them both so that I can pick one up and use it without being freaked out.

The typical MOA scope has a somewhat finer adjustment (POA moves less per click) so it may be better for super precise stuff like bench rest shooting. The guys that I've been shooting with seem to have settled on MIL - so I'm doing more of that right now.

 

[samnev]

I've used MOA scopes for years. But when I updated a few scopes I went to Mil without any problem using that system.

 

[xerts1191]

Great Thread

 

[428cj]

I use both, but as G34 posted, "one is not any better then another"
Once you set up your rifle and scope and fill out your data card or (DOPE) for that rifle, you'll just turn your knobs to correspond to the distance on your data card and shoot.

I agree with you.

 

[samnev]

I use both, but as G34 posted, "one is not any better then another"
Once you set up your rifle and scope and fill out your data card or (DOPE) for that rifle, you'll just turn your knobs to correspond to the distance on your data card and shoot.

I agree with you.

So do I

 

[Lobo2087]

For precision i would disagree mils is better than moa. I am primarily moa and understand it. I am having a hard time comprehending mil but from my understanding it takes 4 .25 clicks at 100 to move 1" but it takes 10 clicks to to move that same " in mils. That alone makes mil more precise than moa.

That said I agree with the range card thing. Set a range card for your weapon and you are good as long as you are using same ammunition, same bc, same sd, same fps and same grain. Change any of that and the math changes.

There are some good shooting calculator aps, strelok and hornady for a couple examples which can help with quick dope math.

 

[TheAccountant]

For precision i would disagree mils is better than moa. I am primarily moa and understand it. I am having a hard time comprehending mil but from my understanding it takes 4 .25 clicks at 100 to move 1" but it takes 10 clicks to to move that same " in mils. That alone makes mil more precise than moa.

That said I agree with the range card thing. Set a range card for your weapon and you are good as long as you are using same ammunition, same bc, same sd, same fps and same grain. Change any of that and the math changes.

There are some good shooting calculator aps, strelok and hornady for a couple examples which can help with quick dope math.

1 mil at 100 yards is 3.6 inches (10cm at 100 meters), so roughly 3 clicks on a .1 mil turret compared to 4 on a .25 smoa. How the turrets are set up doesn’t make one system “more precise” than another.

 

[Lobo2087]

Thanks for that explanation as I said my understanding of mils is minimal

 

[C172 Heavy]

Here's why I like a Mil/Mil scope. I can see either the impact or splash of my round, use the Mil scale to figure out the dope to dial in the correction on my turrets. No math involved, missed low 1.5 mils then dial in 1.5 mils up. A coworker had a Mil/MOA scope and he always struggled to make corrections if he had to dial in corrections based on his reticle or my calls from the Mil reticle spotting scope. Holds no problem, but god forbid he wanted to dial in the correction. He was taking off his boots and socks to help with the math!