Masks and lack of common sense

[Winmagbill]

I don’t really trust anything WHO publishes but Looked it up and they DO recommend cloth masks.

 

[smithers599]

I gotcher epidemiologists right here. (Also see previous cites to British Medical Journal and American Association of Physicians and Surgeons. Also, google Lancet, the journal of epidemiology, and the Journal of the American Medical Association.)

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2.pdf

Respiratory virus shedding in exhaled breath and efficacy of face masks
Nancy H. L. Leung  1 , Daniel K. W. Chu1 , Eunice Y. C. Shiu1 , Kwok-Hung Chan2 , James J. McDevitt3 , Benien J. P. Hau1,4, Hui-Ling Yen  1 , Yuguo Li5 , Dennis K. M. Ip1 , J. S. Malik Peiris1 , Wing-Hong Seto1,6, Gabriel M. Leung1 , Donald K. Milton7,8 and Benjamin J. Cowling  1,8 ✉

Our results indicate that surgical face masks could prevent transmission of human coronaviruses and influenza viruses from symptomatic individuals.

Our findings indicate that surgical masks can efficaciously reduce the emission of influenza virus particles into the environment in respiratory droplets, but not in aerosols.

Among the samples collected without a face mask, we found that the majority of participants with influenza virus and coronavirus infection did not shed detectable virus in respiratory droplets or aerosols, whereas for rhinovirus we detected virus in aerosols in 19 of 34 (56%) participants (compared to 4 of 10 (40%) for coronavirus and 8 of 23 (35%) for influenza). For those who did shed virus in respiratory droplets and aerosols, viral load in both tended to be low (Fig. 1). Given the high collection efficiency of the G-II (ref. 19) and given that each exhaled breath collection was conducted for 30min, this might imply that prolonged close contact would be required for transmission to occur, even if transmission was primarily via aerosols

 

[gunsnboobs]

I must say, this hall monitor crap from the Karen's is getting way out of hand.

https://thebright.com/maskaren-woman-pepper-sprays-couple-having-picnic-at-dog-park-for-not-wearing-masks/?fbclid=IwAR3K2BD5PEUjkuGBx55tYMAshQJK0tJnSnJoNv4R_bRF8fu0jWk5bH1Qa_I

Now wait a minute. If that were any kind of a man he would have laid a punch to that broads face that would have her waking up in 2021. The pussy just stood there and took it with his wife wailing crying in the background. If you're that low on testosterone you deserve what you get.

PS, remember, for how many years have women been shoving equal right shit down mens throats. Granny wants to pepper spray for fun granny can swallow her dentures.

 

[Winmagbill]

I gotcher epidemiologists right here. (Also see previous cites to British Medical Journal and American Association of Physicians and Surgeons. Also, google Lancet, the journal of epidemiology, and the Journal of the American Medical Association.)

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2.pdf

Respiratory virus shedding in exhaled breath and efficacy of face masks
Nancy H. L. Leung  1 , Daniel K. W. Chu1 , Eunice Y. C. Shiu1 , Kwok-Hung Chan2 , James J. McDevitt3 , Benien J. P. Hau1,4, Hui-Ling Yen  1 , Yuguo Li5 , Dennis K. M. Ip1 , J. S. Malik Peiris1 , Wing-Hong Seto1,6, Gabriel M. Leung1 , Donald K. Milton7,8 and Benjamin J. Cowling  1,8 ✉

Our results indicate that surgical face masks could prevent transmission of human coronaviruses and influenza viruses from symptomatic individuals.

Our findings indicate that surgical masks can efficaciously reduce the emission of influenza virus particles into the environment in respiratory droplets, but not in aerosols.

Among the samples collected without a face mask, we found that the majority of participants with influenza virus and coronavirus infection did not shed detectable virus in respiratory droplets or aerosols, whereas for rhinovirus we detected virus in aerosols in 19 of 34 (56%) participants (compared to 4 of 10 (40%) for coronavirus and 8 of 23 (35%) for influenza). For those who did shed virus in respiratory droplets and aerosols, viral load in both tended to be low (Fig. 1). Given the high collection efficiency of the G-II (ref. 19) and given that each exhaled breath collection was conducted for 30min, this might imply that prolonged close contact would be required for transmission to occur, even if transmission was primarily via aerosols

Nice find. Nice to see that surgical face mask, the only type they looked at, can be effective.

“ Surgical face masks significantly reduced detection of influenza virus RNA in respiratory droplets and coronavirus RNA in aerosols, with a trend toward reduced detection of coronavirus RNA in respiratory droplets. Our results indicate that surgical face masks could prevent transmission of human coronaviruses and influenza viruses from symptomatic individuals.“

I thought this was alarming, but hopeful at the same time:
“We detected coronavirus in respiratory droplets and aerosols in 3 of 10 (30%) and 4 of 10 (40%) of the samples collected without face masks, respectively, but did not detect any virus in respiratory droplets or aerosols collected from participants wearing face masks,.. “

The test group sample size of 246 individuals and only 17 with Covid-19 seems really small. Especially since the group was split in half for with mask vs non mask use. Of course I’m not an epidemiologists so maybe that’s a valid sample size. Be nice if the was a summary of the 20 pages for people not in the field. Or even a version just discussing Covid-19 and not the other 2 viruses. Be nice to see a study with non surgical face masks effectiveness. Only discussion I saw was on WHOs website. It’s clear that if you are wearing a shitty mask you are not protecting yourself or anyone you come in contact with.

Many countries have recommended the use of fabric masks/face coverings for the general public. At the present time, the widespread use of masks by healthy people in the community setting is not yet supported by high quality or direct scientific evidence and there are potential benefits and harms to consider (see below).
However, taking into account the available studies evaluating pre- and asymptomatic transmission, a growing compendium of observational evidence on the use of masks by the general public in several countries, individual values and preferences, as well as the difficulty of physical distancing in many contexts, WHO has updated its guidance to advise that to prevent COVID-19 transmission effectively in areas of community transmission, governments should encourage the general public to wear masks in specific situations and settings as part of a comprehensive approach to suppress SARS-CoV-2 transmission

 

[Boriqua]

I must say, this hall monitor crap from the Karen's is getting way out of hand.

https://thebright.com/maskaren-woman-pepper-sprays-couple-having-picnic-at-dog-park-for-not-wearing-masks/?fbclid=IwAR3K2BD5PEUjkuGBx55tYMAshQJK0tJnSnJoNv4R_bRF8fu0jWk5bH1Qa_I

Now wait a minute. If that were any kind of a man he would have laid a punch to that broads face that would have her waking up in 2021. The pussy just stood there and took it with his wife wailing crying in the background. If you're that low on testosterone you deserve what you get.

PS, remember, for how many years have women been shoving equal right s*** down mens throats. Granny wants to pepper spray for fun granny can swallow her dentures.

If he were a man he would have punched an elderly woman 1/3 his size in the face!?

Guess I grew up in a different time and was taught different things.

Sometimes it takes more balls to do what's right and not what feels good.

Sucks he got sprayed and I think I could have avoided that without hitting a diminutive old woman in the face.

I wouldn't have felt like a man .. I would have been ashamed to look in the mirror.

I remember now why I had stopped coming here.

 

[smithers599]

Oh no! Not the lettering bold that we'll be ignoring again!!

Here, in bold since you both seem stuck on fake science: Unless your mask has N95 filters and was properly fitted for one, the mask is simply not going to work.

But still, the three F's apply here. And on top of those three F's, you're making this your hill on a very small forum that no one will weigh on before making an informed decision and odds are your targeted audience have already made up their minds.

Be better.

Help me understand. I am saying that fabric masks don't work at all, and surgical masks don't work very much. I think you are saying that only N95 masks work, IOW fabric and surgical masks don't work. I'm missing the disagreement part.

 

[YNOTAZ]

Here's the money line:

"Our results indicate that surgical face masks could prevent transmission of human coronaviruses and influenza viruses from symptomatic individuals"

Note the word "could" and the word "symptomatic" This is from their tests. How many questions does that leave assuming their tests were large enough to be representative of the entire world.

 

[smithers599]

Here's the money line:

"Our results indicate that surgical face masks could prevent transmission of human coronaviruses and influenza viruses from symptomatic individuals"

Note the word "could" and the word "symptomatic" This is from their tests. How many questions does that leave assuming their tests were large enough to be representative of the entire world.

And the word "surgical." Cloth masks don't do squat.

 

[Miker12]

Masks Don’t Work
A review of science relevant to COVID-19 social policy

Summary / Abstract

Masks and respirators do not work.

There have been extensive randomized controlled trial (RCT) studies, and meta-analysis reviews of RCT studies, which all show that masks and respirators do not work to prevent respiratory influenza-like illnesses, or respiratory illnesses believed to be transmitted by droplets and aerosol particles.

Furthermore, the relevant known physics and biology, which I review, are such that masks and respirators should not work. It would be a paradox if masks and respirators worked, given what we know about viral respiratory diseases: The main transmission path is long-residence-time aerosol particles (< 2.5 μm), which are too fine to be blocked, and the minimum-infective-dose is smaller than one aerosol particle.

The present paper about masks illustrates the degree to which governments, the mainstream media, and institutional propagandists can decide to operate in a science vacuum, or select only incomplete science that serves their interests. Such recklessness is also certainly the case with the current global lockdown of over 1 billion people, an unprecedented experiment in medical and political history.

https://www.rcreader.com/sites/default/files/Denis%20G.%20Rancourt%20PhD%20April%202020%20%22Masks%20Don%27t%20Work%3A%20A%20review%20of%20science%20relevant%20to%20COVID-19%20social%20policy%22.pdf

 

[gunsnboobs]

I must say, this hall monitor crap from the Karen's is getting way out of hand.

https://thebright.com/maskaren-woman-pepper-sprays-couple-having-picnic-at-dog-park-for-not-wearing-masks/?fbclid=IwAR3K2BD5PEUjkuGBx55tYMAshQJK0tJnSnJoNv4R_bRF8fu0jWk5bH1Qa_I

Now wait a minute. If that were any kind of a man he would have laid a punch to that broads face that would have her waking up in 2021. The pussy just stood there and took it with his wife wailing crying in the background. If you're that low on testosterone you deserve what you get.

PS, remember, for how many years have women been shoving equal right s*** down mens throats. Granny wants to pepper spray for fun granny can swallow her dentures.

If he were a man he would have punched an elderly woman 1/3 his size in the face!?

Guess I grew up in a different time and was taught different things.

Sometimes it takes more balls to do what's right and not what feels good.

Sucks he got sprayed and I think I could have avoided that without hitting a diminutive old woman in the face.

I wouldn't have felt like a man .. I would have been ashamed to look in the mirror.

I remember now why I had stopped coming here.

I bet I grew up in the same time as you slick but for 20 years I've had "women are equal"..."blacks are equal"..."everybody is equal" crammed down my throat.. I give up, yeah, we are all equal especially if you spray a toxic substance into my eyes...we just got equalized.

It's called taking and being responsible for your actions.

I could sleep at night...especially after I went to the hospital and spent my own money(NoBama care) to get my eyes washed out and hopefully lost none of my vision which I need to make money and live life. You live life your way and I'll live it mine.

Back in those days we were raised you speak of, a tiny little old lady( My grandmother was 4'5") would not have assaulted another human being for no reason, however My German Grandfather(6'3") would have beat anyone's ass who threatened her for no reason.

 

[Boriqua]

but for 20 years I've had "women are equal"..."blacks are equal"..."everybody is equal"

Yes the equal rights movement for women and for blacks have their origins 20 yrs ago in the year 2000 :think:

Your response was ignorant and I feel dumber having read it.

You are correct I will "do me" and refrain from punching elderly women in the mouth.

 

[gunsnboobs]

but for 20 years I've had "women are equal"..."blacks are equal"..."everybody is equal"

Yes the equal rights movement for women and for blacks have their origins 20 yrs ago in the year 2000 :think:

Your response was ignorant and I feel dumber having read it.

You are correct I will "do me" and refrain from punching elderly women in the mouth.

Good for you, so when that elderly woman sprays you with mace and then pulls her 9 outta her pursue and ventilates you with it...where do I send the flowers...LMFAO, I'm kidding i won't send flowers, I don't care enough.

PS: Umm, the equal rights movements may have started 20 years ago,40 years ago,60 years ago,but I still hear the same ol stale BS today, really sick of that same ol song that's out of tune. Learn how to read, i said I've been hearing it for 20 years, before that I didn't really care to listen...not that I do now either. As far as you being dumber, well that sounds like a YOU problem, not a me problem Albert. 7/30/2020

 

[ex462]

For years it has been,No shirt,No shoes,No service.Not many complained, now,No mask and most are upset.

 

[impulse]

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[Boriqua]

but for 20 years I've had "women are equal"..."blacks are equal"..."everybody is equal"

Yes the equal rights movement for women and for blacks have their origins 20 yrs ago in the year 2000 :think:


Your response was ignorant and I feel dumber having read it.

You are correct I will "do me" and refrain from punching elderly women in the mouth.

Good for you, so when that elderly woman sprays you with mace and then pulls her 9 outta her pursue and ventilates you with it...where do I send the flowers...LMFAO, I'm kidding i won't send flowers, I don't care enough.

PS: Umm, the equal rights movements may have started 20 years ago,40 years ago,60 years ago,but I still hear the same ol stale BS today, really sick of that same ol song that's out of tune. Learn how to read, i said I've been hearing it for 20 years, before that I didn't really care to listen...not that I do now either. As far as you being dumber, well that sounds like a YOU problem, not a me problem Albert. 7/30/2020

Tee hee ... you're funny. I like your posts .. I enjoy the buffoonery

 

[gunsnboobs]

Yes the equal rights movement for women and for blacks have their origins 20 yrs ago in the year 2000 :think:


Your response was ignorant and I feel dumber having read it.

You are correct I will "do me" and refrain from punching elderly women in the mouth.

Good for you, so when that elderly woman sprays you with mace and then pulls her 9 outta her pursue and ventilates you with it...where do I send the flowers...LMFAO, I'm kidding i won't send flowers, I don't care enough.

PS: Umm, the equal rights movements may have started 20 years ago,40 years ago,60 years ago,but I still hear the same ol stale BS today, really sick of that same ol song that's out of tune. Learn how to read, i said I've been hearing it for 20 years, before that I didn't really care to listen...not that I do now either. As far as you being dumber, well that sounds like a YOU problem, not a me problem Albert. 7/30/2020

Tee hee ... you're funny. I like your posts .. I enjoy the buffoonery

Yes...that's what it's all about...the "bufoonery"!!!

 

[Miker12]

Decide for yourself:

https://themodelhealthshow.com/maskfacts/?fbclid=IwAR2VygImrrw98QznmeVfdt1eiPlH_uKKgZIDeZpAv7sj9BR-HeSTwFdaEFo

 

[smithers599]

Decide for yourself:

https://themodelhealthshow.com/maskfacts/?fbclid=IwAR2VygImrrw98QznmeVfdt1eiPlH_uKKgZIDeZpAv7sj9BR-HeSTwFdaEFo

It's an hour long, but that is great stuff. Great stuff.

 

[jls in az]

Wearing a mask is not about protecting yourself, it's about protecting others if you happen to be infected but asymptomatic. The only mask that is going to protect the wearer are the specialty chem/bio warfare type and if you are paranoid enough to wear that, you should just go ahead and MOPP up the whole way.

 

[Miker12]

"Wearing a mask is not about protecting yourself, it's about protecting others if you happen to be infected but asymptomatic."

Just a few studies about mask efficacy for those inquiring minds and if you still wish to virtue signal others that you are about THEIR safety then please continue to wear a mask. Far be it from me to provide an health/immune support advice:

This study is the first RCT of cloth masks, and the results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection. Further research is needed to inform the widespread use of cloth masks globally. However, as a precautionary measure, cloth masks should not be recommended for HCWs, particularly in high-risk situations, and guidelines need to be updated.”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971/?fbclid=IwAR02TBnU5p8SfihEA3yPhQ23jsDv4kdLZxjztqRhiKfiryyx6XO2Z1NofH8

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577.full?fbclid=IwAR0d8UDL9IF0m_if7XPn3gsypsQxH8f2DepjiSG3eYCApXkZM7vA_MkZnUE

Simple Respiratory Protection—Evaluation of the Filtration Performance of Cloth Masks and Common Fabric Materials Against 20–1000 nm Size Particles
https://academic.oup.com/annweh/article/54/7/789/202744

Our results indicate that surgical face masks could prevent transmission of human coronaviruses and influenza viruses from symptomatic individuals.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2?fbclid=IwAR0Q3-WhHv1F9dmZSr2iLNQ-F6ioAIfOYAch7PPtHib9EsuVyhs-mYZlXcg