Maricopa County Election Audit
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Cubiclerevolt said:
So, gather a coalition, buy some land, and start doing what the Amish have been doing for decades, with modern conveniences of course. There's no one stopping you from creating your own society of believers, and escape the sin in the city .
Clyde
kenpoprofessor said:
Our values are in different categories because your values are in a category not shared with the men who wrote the constitution.
You think it reads like the Taliban, because you don't believe in a transcendent morality and you hate God.
The constitution is wholly inadequate for someone like you.
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kenpoprofessor said:
What are the chances that neo socialists will let you do those things?
When fellas like you bring the necessity of a particular religion into the context of adequacy, and the rights bestowed by the constitution, you are losing allies.
Because a guy doesn't believe in YOUR god, doesn't mean those rights are not still his.
Because a guy doesn't believe in YOUR god, doesn't mean those rights are not still his.
weenis said:
I hate God??? For crize sake you're no better than the Taliban, ISIS, or any other fanatic group to believe that.
Moral people, you know, those that know right from wrong, and believe in good structuring of society.
But it seems that if society doesn't fit your narrative, then it must be evil. You sir, are no better than any Democrat.
Clyde
Adams said "moral AND religious", not "moral OR religious".kenpoprofessor said:
You show me your morals without God, and I'll show you the false god of your morals. And then on top of that, I'll show you why the morality you believe in is faulty and doesn't work.
John Adams understood this, which is exactly why he said "moral and religious".
Cubiclerevolt
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weenis said:
To this I add...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vmvZIAGKJo
Unbelievable. The atheists I know are some of the most moral people I've ever met and the bible thumpers I've met have some of the worst morals of anyone I've met.
The quietly religious ones I've met seem to always have a great moral compass though.
The quietly religious ones I've met seem to always have a great moral compass though.
Cubiclerevolt
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Flash said:
We're the founders not christians? Our laws and the concept of our laws come from Judeo-Christian beliefs.
The fact we've reached a point in this country where you have children who do not value life nor individual freedom, make up genders contrary to all basic biology and science and so forth.
Post modernism has made things far worse for us.
https://www.masters.edu/news/the-faith-of-the-founding-fathers.html#:~:text=There%20were%20Christians%20among%20the,to%20create%20a%20Christian%20nation.
There were Christians among the Founders – no deists – but the key Founders who were most responsible for the founding documents (Declaration of Independence and Constitution) and who had the most influence were theistic rationalists. They did not intend to create a Christian nation. Not a single Founding Father made such a claim in any piece of private correspondence or any document. If they had, it would be blazoned above the entrances of countless Christian schools and we would all be inundated with emails repeating it.
There were Christians among the Founders – no deists – but the key Founders who were most responsible for the founding documents (Declaration of Independence and Constitution) and who had the most influence were theistic rationalists. They did not intend to create a Christian nation. Not a single Founding Father made such a claim in any piece of private correspondence or any document. If they had, it would be blazoned above the entrances of countless Christian schools and we would all be inundated with emails repeating it.
Cubiclerevolt
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Flash said:
You're right and wrong.
John Adams - Christian
George Mason - Christian
Patrick Henry - Christian
John Hancock - Christian
And then theres this random deist running around saying things like this:
“The right to freedom being the gift of the Almighty...The rights of the colonists as Christians...may be best understood by reading and carefully studying the institutions of The Great Law Giver and Head of the Christian Church, which are to be found clearly written and promulgated in the New Testament.”
After signing the Declaration of Independence, he proclaimed:
"We have this day restored the Sovereign to Whom all men ought to be obedient. He reigns in heaven and from the rising to the setting of the sun, let His kingdom come."
In his February, 1795 Proclamation for a Day of Public Fasting, Humiliation and Prayer, then Governor Adams said:
“That with true repentance and contrition of Heart, we may unitedly implore the forgiveness of our Sins, through the merits of Jesus Christ, and humbly supplicate our Heavenly Father, to grant us the aids of his Grace, for the amendment of our Hearts and Lives, and vouchsafe his smiles upon our temporal concerns.”
And finally, these are the words in his Last Will and Testament:
“Principally, and first of all, I resign my soul to the Almighty Being who gave it, and my body I commit to the dust, relying on the merits of Jesus Christ for the pardon of my sins.”
The founders were incredibly wise men who knew that a theocracy will not work however, our rule of law, our principles, all biblically based to create a constitutional republic to which all could benefit from by not having a state endorsed or sponsored religion.
Let it be clear. The only theocracy I will live under is that of the Messiah.
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