Long Range Shooting!
- Thread starter 428cj
- Start date
Welcome to ArizonaShooting.org!
Join today!
With that much elevation, there is no "line of sight" -- he can't look at the target directly through the scope, can he? Is there a TV screen or something on his rifle that shows the target, so he can align the crosshairs?
Steve_In_29
Member
Takes skill I agree but it is more like artillery fire then shooting and none of them could do it twice in a row.
redj
Member
Steve_In_29 said:
It seems that every time you see a video like this posted on YouTube the shooter has a very high dollar gun and scope , has several spotters, shoots for half a day or more.
Then when they happen to walk a bullet onto their target they celebrate like they just accomplished some great feat , but they never do it a second time.
If you moved the target and gun to another location they would have to start all over again.
I am sure with enough ammo and time just about anyone can walk a bullet onto a target at just about any range.
All it takes is money.
harleypower69
Member
Using it like artillery they are.
Well I got to tell you. I'm not impressed. Like others said no line of sight. He was firing blind. It took 21 shots for the forward observer to walk him in on it. So let me get this strait. He did something special by walking in basically artillery rounds into a 32x48 inch target. You got to be kidding me. That's not skill ,that's luck. It would have been neat to watch him shoot a 20mm with scope, line of sight no one else and a spotter. But putting that aside. I'm not going to beat up the OP to hard. I like the rifles.
Delfuego
Member
It's not all luck. It takes the gear, it takes practice and it takes some luck with conditions. If you guys think it's easy then go show us how it's done. ELR shooting is taking off and getting more popular. Everybody on youtube can hit "1 mile" with a 6.5 Creemore all day long if they do their part. Shooting consistantly at 1500y-2000y ain't easy. I would like to see how well most internet experts can do with all gear provided for them. Let's not shit on other shooting disciplines. Hitting any target past 2k yards is a feat. Hitting anything (including a barn) at 6k yards is crazy.
Please feel free to show me how easy it is. Show me a 1250y first round impact on a 1 moa target. Show me 3/3 on 1500y on a 36" plate. Show me 1/10 impacts at 2500y and I will buy you a case of beer....
Please feel free to show me how easy it is. Show me a 1250y first round impact on a 1 moa target. Show me 3/3 on 1500y on a 36" plate. Show me 1/10 impacts at 2500y and I will buy you a case of beer....
You know this HOW? Yes luck, Common Sense and Experience. Have you shot out pass 1,000 yards? Do you know about this ?redj said:
It starts kicking in around 750 yards. Then there is this. https://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/?d0=3.4&h0=3&unit=imperial Just part of the tools at hand.
Delfuego said:
Look. Like I said great gun. 416 is a great round. When I was a gunner with my 240 G machine gun I had a spotter beside me giving me correction using his bino's or spotting scope. What that guy did was like a mortar team operating. Fire for effect. He could not see his target. As soon as he starts depending on 1 or 2 or 3 spotters to bring him in to a target, it's not about the shooter anymore. A sniper looks through his scope see the target takes the shot adjusts takes another shot. The spotter tells him range and can identify targets of opportunity off his cards and ranges the target. The sniper pulls the trigger and makes the bullet count. What those guys are doing is nothing short of a full court shot and hoping the basketball goes in the net. Come on. 21 shots to get to target. Can you really tell me it's all about the shooter?
Delfuego
Member
What I'm saying is it's not as easy no matter how you look at it. I shoot ELR and no of it's easy. Is it the be all end all? No. But for all the comments on the internet about people shitting on them, I would wager most have never shot past 300y. You also need spotters at ELR ranges. They are essentially part of your squad, they give you wind, they give you feedback, they help you shoot. These guys are not snipers and they don't claim to be. It has nothing to do with "snipers". It's a game or sport, depending on how you look at.
If you shoot ELR then I have to ask can you see the target in your scope. I wouldn't say I'm shu!tting on then I just think when you no longer can see the target in your scope you are guessing on where it's at. When that happens then I believe are no longer a trained shooter but just a trigger puller that can take orders and hold the rifle steady.
Delfuego
Member
Where does it say they cannot see the target? The splash, sure, not gonna see that.
Ha ha ha. That's funny. You show me where they talk about seeing the target. Do you see video equipment around there somewhere. He sure the hell cant see it in his scope. You show me how he is seeing the target. In the mean time I will contact them and ask them what they were doing.
redj
Member
Have I shot passed 1000 ? Why yes I have.428cj said:You know this HOW? Yes luck, Common Sense and Experience. Have you shot out pass 1,000 yards? Do you know about this ?redj said:
It starts kicking in around 750 yards. Then there is this. https://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/?d0=3.4&h0=3&unit=imperial Just part of the tools at hand.
The guy barely hit a target on the top edge that was what 4 feet square and then he quit.
Just like every other youtube video of these long shots.
Sorry not impressed.
Do it a few times consecutively then he would have my attention.
Steve_In_29
Member
I have only shot to 1000yds in competition but I did it with open sights on an M1 Garand. I could see the target (barely) and didn't have a team helping me to make my repeated hits.
No one is saying ELF is easy but when you can't directly see the target nor put the reticle on it then it is now indirect fire plain and simple. From the what I see in the video it appears they have a display in front of the scope showing them the target from a downrange camera(?).
One hit out of 23rds fired shows that after buying the gear necessary to shot that far in the first place, it simply comes down to luck. Even after hitting the target with what would apparently be a rifle now sighted into the target he couldn't repeat his hit.
Personally I am MUCH more impressed by this woman. She shoots an egg at 304yds with a .22LR from the off hand position. Note the grass moving, so there is also wind to deal with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUtasDhjpI4
No one is saying ELF is easy but when you can't directly see the target nor put the reticle on it then it is now indirect fire plain and simple. From the what I see in the video it appears they have a display in front of the scope showing them the target from a downrange camera(?).
One hit out of 23rds fired shows that after buying the gear necessary to shot that far in the first place, it simply comes down to luck. Even after hitting the target with what would apparently be a rifle now sighted into the target he couldn't repeat his hit.
Personally I am MUCH more impressed by this woman. She shoots an egg at 304yds with a .22LR from the off hand position. Note the grass moving, so there is also wind to deal with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUtasDhjpI4
Delfuego
Member
Delfuego
Member
The standard ELR target for records is a 36"x36"redj said:
The requirement for records is 3/3 impacts
I have met this gentleman, his record only lasted a few weeks
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/03/06/three-consecutive-hits-at-2118-yards/
It's a game and people are having fun doing it, whether you're impressed or not.
redj
Member
Delfuego said:
There is no comparison in the original post and what you posted.
Like I originally said if the guy would have hit the target more than once I might be impressed , but he didn't , he quit after hitting it one time.
I do not believe he could do it two more times if you gave him another 21 shots.
Delfuego
Member
And what have you done???
Similar threads
