Kroger/frys walmart armed guards

[338lapua]

So the 20th I hear both these companies and going to a absolute no entry without a mask even with a qualifying disability like not able to breathe. Also part of of this will be armed guards to keep non mask wearers out. SO does that mean if I tell him to fu ck off I can't breathe in one he now has the authority to shoot me? Fu ck this sh it. Where the fu ck did America go? DO they really want to do this because I think the first couple Americans shot by rent a pigs is going to set something off the stores obviously do not see coming.

Anyone else hearing a rumor of this?

 

[thom]

Private property can do what it wants. There are other stores.
Just out of curiosity, why are you so against wearing a mask?

 

[338lapua]

I can't breathe in one. Why are you so happy to bend over and take it in the ass from corporations? SO when it gets to the point of a vaccine and a chip to shop are you still going to be saying private property their rights?

 

[338lapua]

And also smart guy what are you going to do when every store does this because the local government is fining them out of existence?

 

[paulgt2164]

So the 20th I hear both these companies and going to a absolute no entry without a mask even with a qualifying disability like not able to breathe. Also part of of this will be armed guards to keep non mask wearers out. SO does that mean if I tell him to fu ck off I can't breathe in one he now has the authority to shoot me? Fu ck this sh it. Where the fu ck did America go? DO they really want to do this because I think the first couple Americans shot by rent a pigs is going to set something off the stores obviously do not see coming.

Anyone else hearing a rumor of this?

Source? Can't find anything other than they are going to have "Health Ambassadors" at the door - which would suck as a job. But these aren't security.

 

[338lapua]

Yet another reason I can add to the "I don't go to walmart" list. Not particularly the mask deal - as that is their prerogative, moreso the I wouldn't trust a place like walmart to hire anyone who could be trusted to properly use / access a situation involving a firearm if true.

Also, 338lapua - why the hostility? - Thom just politely asked a question, why be offended?

Where did you hear about the armed guards - I can't find a source. I see where they are having "health ambassador" at the door to help people with masks (wouldn't want that job...) but nothing about armed enforcement.

Heard it from a friend who is a armed guard. Said his company asked him if he would accept denying shoppers without a mask entry even if they had a medical issue and if he would be will to stop them and how far he would go. Told them to get fuc ked and he doesn't want to die. Boss told him it may be coming to all stores soon, he said wish them luck and he quit. He can't breathe in a mask either after the Gulf War.

Why the hostility? I am sick of gun owners that happily give up their rights because of a f***ing sign on a door. Now they will defend a corporation for not allowing someone who can't breathe in a mask the right to eat, that's why. It's ither the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed or it is not. I don't see anything in the constitution that says except for when a business owner says it is not a right.

 

[paulgt2164]

Heard it from a friend who is a armed guard. Said his company asked him if he would accept denying shoppers without a mask entry even if they had a medical issue and if he would be will to stop them and how far he would go. Told them to get fuc ked and he doesn't want to die. Boss told him it may be coming to all stores soon, he said wish them luck and he quit. He can't breathe in a mask either after the Gulf War.

Why the hostility? I am sick of gun owners that happily give up their rights because of a f*** sign on a door. Now they will defend a corporation for not allowing someone who can't breathe in a mask the right to eat, that's why. It's ither the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed or it is not. I don't see anything in the constitution that says except for when a business owner says it is not a right.

Oh ok, so a unsubstantiated rumor. Gotchya. But if it pans out to be true, add another reason to why I haven't been to a walmart in years. I wouldn't trust anyone they would hire to handle themselves with a firearm in any situation.


I don't agree with the government requirement of mask use. Ultimately it should be the individual's choice. There are also many mask options to suit those who have issues with them. So if you do want to wear one, there are options.

I have noticed (not applying this to you, as I don't know you) that many people who say they can't breathe in a mask say this just to get out of wearing one as they don't believe in the reasoning of why some people choose to wear them. Kind of like how people say they have a issue that requires them to bring their animals everywhere they shouldn't - just so they can bring their animals everywhere they shouldn't.

Kroger/Walmart requiring masks is their right. Just as it is yours to choose not to go. You talk of "shall not be infringed" yet seeming think business owners should give that up for your convenience. I firmly believe that a business "Reserves the right to deny service to anyone, for whatever reason." Even if it wasn't a requirement by the government - I am pretty sure the majority of places would still require it. We have the freedom of choice in choosing who we deal with, no one is forcing you to go to Walmart. If all groceries require a mask, then you can have it delivered as several offer the service. Personally, I won't go somewhere if they don't require it and aren't taking measure to help prevent the spread - that is the beauty of the system. Choice. Pretty sure your ability to eat doesn't depend on Walmart or Kroger (I would hope not anyway, as there IMO are way better places to get food.)

I guess some of us have fallen to the level of "the other side" where merely asking a question - without implying anything - is enough to garner angry insults. Lets all be more decisive on our side of the fence, that always helps. When do we get to start pointing and screaming "racist" and "for the feels?" like they do? Lol.

 

[AZ Husker]

I find it humorous that so many folks are against mandatory mask usage in a private establishment while claiming to be conservative and supposedly believe in the rights of everyone. Don't like it, go somewhere else. Good luck with that. Order delivery. If you can't wear a mask most places honor a face shield which negates your excuse that you can't breathe in a mask.

 

[paulgt2164]

I find it humorous that so many folks are against mandatory mask usage in a private establishment while claiming to be conservative and supposedly believe in the rights of everyone. Don't like it, go somewhere else. Good luck with that. Order delivery. If you can't wear a mask most places honor a face shield which negates your excuse that you can't breathe in a mask.

Funny how that works, isn't it? "freedom" for those people apparently is dependent on their convenience. Kind of like facts, especially when relating to Covid.

 

[thom]

I had the Chinese virus already once. I didn't enjoy it. I will wear as mask to protect myself. This one if I have to,

 

[SecretV]

I tried to find info on business and customers in regards to ADA. This is all I found with a basic/cursory search. It seems a business may just need to offer alternatives to accommodate the disabled. I'm wondering what constitutes a valid alternative. Delivery? Face shields? Curbside pickup? Is cost a factor in deeming something an alternative say for example you have to pay more for one of these alternative services? Would that be considered an alternative still if the cost was not the same? In so much as a business' right to refuse service I tend to be on the side of well...its private property so comply or conduct your business elsewhere. However, if a business has a monopoly on the provision of a good and/or service is that really a feasible option? Lets assume 338 isn't one of us poors. I for example would have a problem paying boutique pricing(volume and logistics lower prices for the big boys), traveling long distances (gas cost overtime), and limited selection(they have to only stock what they can sell) if I were forced to find alternatives for certain things. I'm still in relatively ok condition, but that won't last forever. Someone could say then get your own food, but even tending to poultry can be a bit of a chore. I'm making another assumption here as 338 says they have a hard time breathing. I'm assuming they'd also have a hard time chasing chickens and ducks around, seeding and maintaining an urban garden, or routinely going out to places where they can hunt down food. Tracking can be exhausting even for those in excellent shape. What are 338's alternatives then? Comply and asphyxiate, don't and starve, take the economic hit. Do we take the libertarian approach and say well, if we vote with our dollars the business that caters to him will still thrive. IE We don't need no stinkin' laws. I'm fairly certain this has been disproved by giants like Walmart or Amazon. They have basically destroyed brick and mortar stores. Do we go with a more authoritarian approach ie a conservative/liberal approach of using legislation to compel stores to do a thing and if we do that...do we open up the doors for...forcing people to wear masks. IE the ouroborous a weird paradoxical self-referential behavior. :think:

 

[Razai]

I don’t know why I’m bothering. Maybe it’s because I’m straining to extricate a dehydration-induced rectal clog.
Comparing RKBA to a private company’s rights of refusal is so asinine that it screams of immaturity. Just stop whining in every thread about masks. Stop. Please stop. No one cares. I wear one because my employer, who treats me very well, requires it. I wear in stores and at gas stations so that the poor employees tasked with requiring it don’t have to add me to their “people I had to deal with today” list. It is no different from the typical “no shirt, no shoes, no service” policy. At all. There is no 2A regarding masks. Being asked to wear one does not sentence anyone to death. I work with asthmatics, cancer survivors, people 20 years my junior and my senior, and all have found a way to make some form of mask work for them. There are scads of acceptable options. Deal with it.
I hate masks as well, and since I actually wear one for nine hours each day, I’ll claim to have an opinion about them. I do hate them,and have for months, yet I have somehow managed not to gripe and moan about it on my favorite gun forum, and have survived. Until now, I guess.
Gotta finish here.
Enjoy.
PS- Wish I had my mask on at the moment...

 

[SecretV]

I don’t know why I’m bothering. Maybe it’s because I’m straining to extricate a dehydration-induced rectal clog.
Comparing RKBA to a private company’s rights of refusal is so asinine that it screams of immaturity. Just stop whining in every thread about masks. Stop. Please stop. No one cares. I wear one because my employer, who treats me very well, requires it. I wear in stores and at gas stations so that the poor employees tasked with requiring it don’t have to add me to their “people I had to deal with today” list. It is no different from the typical “no shirt, no shoes, no service” policy. At all. There is no 2A regarding masks. Being asked to wear one does not sentence anyone to death. I work with asthmatics, cancer survivors, people 20 years my junior and my senior, and all have found a way to make some form of mask work for them. There are scads of acceptable options. Deal with it.
I hate masks as well, and since I actually wear one for nine hours each day, I’ll claim to have an opinion about them. I do hate them,and have for months, yet I have somehow managed not to gripe and moan about it on my favorite gun forum, and have survived. Until now, I guess.
Gotta finish here.
Enjoy.
PS- Wish I had my mask on at the moment...

:clap: :dance: :think:

 

[paulgt2164]

Being asked to wear one does not sentence anyone to death. I work with asthmatics, cancer survivors, people 20 years my junior and my senior, and all have found a way to make some form of mask work for them. There are scads of acceptable options. Deal with it.
I hate masks as well, and since I actually wear one for nine hours each day, I’ll claim to have an opinion about them. I do hate them,and have for months, yet I have somehow managed not to gripe and moan about it on my favorite gun forum, and have survived. Until now, I guess.

I wear one 10+ a day as well, same story. Everyone at my work is required (hospital) and everyone finds a way.

 

[338lapua]

So what are you guys going to do when November hits and Duug the Douche and his 60,000 tests a day have revealed through false positives that the entire state has tested positive. Then Adrian Fontes says it is too dangerous to vote because now it is obvious that the makss do not work and we will send everyone a mail in ballot. Then Biden wins.


This is what the this is all about. I want one of you to tell me what other year have we shut down the economy" When did the governors trash the economy" When were we all forced to stay home to flatten the curve? When we we forced to wear face masks? When did all of our change and now small bills disappear during a fly season? When have we ever had a total fag like Bill Gates and his man/wife push for a digital implantable proof of vaccine so you can travel? Have freedom lovers been this far dumbed down they can't even add 2+2+2+2+2 and end up at ten and realize it is a bad thing?

 

[Rock Hardson]

My son is a salaried mgr. at Fry's.

None of this is true.

Quit spreading misinformation, there is enough of that happening already

 

[SecretV]

So what are you guys going to do when November hits and Duug the Douche and his 60,000 tests a day have revealed through false positives that the entire state has tested positive. Then Adrian Fontes says it is too dangerous to vote because now it is obvious that the makss do not work and we will send everyone a mail in ballot. Then Biden wins.


This is what the this is all about. I want one of you to tell me what other year have we shut down the economy" When did the governors trash the economy" When were we all forced to stay home to flatten the curve? When we we forced to wear face masks? When did all of our change and now small bills disappear during a fly season? When have we ever had a total fag like Bill Gates and his man/wife push for a digital implantable proof of vaccine so you can travel? Have freedom lovers been this far dumbed down they can't even add 2+2+2+2+2 and end up at ten and realize it is a bad thing?

Polio source here. Spanish flu. Sources here and here. We were even more draconian. Then at the end of the roaring twenties the economy tanked super hard(maybe not the governors specifically). Source here. Housing market crash. (not governors specifically) Japanese American internment camps(not even disease related). Mail in ballots aren't a problem necessarily the problem is changing the rules at the 11th hour. In that I agree with you that it will be a problem. Many people will have their ballots denied for being filled out incorrectly, for being delayed through no fault of their own, and lastly because of the potential for manipulation. The most recent story was a postal worker filling peoples out as republican. When people use slippery slope arguments about firearms do you give those credit? If the answer is no, then you have some understanding of why some of the people on the forum might see you're reasoning as being similar. What about this, then this, then this and finally this. What am I gonna do about increased testing? Take the data in. I'm not a manufacturer of these tests, I'm not the person overseeing the counting, I'm not even the person administering them. It's just as likely that the data is true as it is false from my point of view. Do you have inside knowledge? If so please share by linking and citing sources. I won't discount outright that incremental encroachments on peoples rights are how they are eroded away. We've seen that with RKBA all over the US. To sit here and rant without sources doesn't really do anything to raise awareness or get people to listen. In each of the economic crashes changes were made to the law of the land. Whether they helped or hurt has been a topic of debate by far more qualified individuals than myself. I'm taking the liberty of using your straw grasping to attribute legislative action to governors since...they are legislators. If you don't like the sources list the sites/books/institutions you use for your calls to authority. In so much as your original post. Yeah they have that right, you want to act a fool on their private property in a stand your grand/castle doctrine/defensive display state. It may not work out so well. Source here. I'm personally conflicted with it. I don't think you should get the death sentence for asking someone to accommodate your disability as per the ADA. (I'm assuming you actually fall under the ADA) I've always been of the opinion that if I'm to be de-fanged and declawed when entering an establishment they should provide some sort of sheep dog to assist me in my temporary transformation into a sheep. Having more armed sheep dogs doesn't seem like a net negative to me. I'd prefer not to temporarily be a sheep, but that's better than nothing.

 

[SecretV]

My son is a salaried mgr. at Fry's.

None of this is true.

Quit spreading misinformation, there is enough of that happening already

Thank you for this. Do all Fry's fall under the same corporate umbrella? Can each store choose to hire guards based on perceived need?

 

[XJThrottle]

I can only imagine that a store would have to have corporate approve to have armed guards.

Imagine the shit storm if Fry's #69 had some shit brained armed guard that shot someone for shoplifting. The "victim's" family would own Kroger.

The Target near me has armed guards. PHX PD standing inside the door....

 

[Rock Hardson]

My son is a salaried mgr. at Fry's.

None of this is true.

Quit spreading misinformation, there is enough of that happening already

Thank you for this. Do all Fry's fall under the same corporate umbrella? Can each store choose to hire guards based on perceived need?

All Fry's fall under the corporate umbrella of Kroger.

The only reason a store will have a uniformed security guard is for loss prevention and as a visual deterent only. And, will only be authorized by the division office here in town. No store can bring in a security guard on their own.

Just to be clear, my son is a salaried mgr. involved in total store operations, not a salaried dept. mgr

When I left retail in 2001, I was a Fry's Asst. store mgr. with 15 1/2 years experience with Albertson's, Smith's and Fry's. Now, you can't even confront a shoplifter or you will lose your job.