Rock Hardson
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Me miserable?? No, I don't go home and write about my experience with a grocery store cashier. And, think anyone would actually care and would want to hear about it. That would be a sad existence.Flash said:
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What's an extra vowel between old farts like us?????cool arrow said:
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Rock Hardson said:
EXACTLY...can't we all just get along?!? :clap:
Meh ... I will play along ..
I do dig the Not being judgemental thing. I really do. I am a huge proponent for more opportunity for Trade and Craft training at the Junior high school and high school level because this idea that everyone is perfect for college or going to benefit from it is a little ridiculous and unfair for people that don't benefit from that type of learning.
I even did my first internship when I was still hoping to enter something medical and worked for a year at the Fineson Developmental Institute so .. Not judgy
but
Public education was specifically designed so that if nothing else everyone would have a basic education. We cant all be Neurosurgeons but we would all have the same basic information necessary to be functioning adults and be able to support ones self. We as tax payers, former tax payers and future tax payers pay so that EVERYONE who graduates will have the basics.
I'm sorry but ... that would include basic math skills like making change. Sheesh .. I know I am old but it was taught in elementary school.
The issue Flash raised whether you liked the way he raised them or not is real. The school system and the general "participation award" "dont hurt anyone's feelings" attitude did not help this girl or anyone else who leaves without the guaranteed well funded basic education.
Yes ... I remember what a stigma it was for someone to be "left back" but ... is graduating unprepared better. You have a year to be embarrassed about being left back .. you have a lifetime of struggle if you graduate and cant read or perform simple math. Its completely unfair to those students.
When AZ just asked for more kick in to the Education system .. its kind of sad that a young adult struggles with very basic math and no one did her any favors promoting her before she was ready.
and
as far as the education system .. when have any of you that ran businesses, departments or owned your own businesses been rewarded with more money for failure.
I do dig the Not being judgemental thing. I really do. I am a huge proponent for more opportunity for Trade and Craft training at the Junior high school and high school level because this idea that everyone is perfect for college or going to benefit from it is a little ridiculous and unfair for people that don't benefit from that type of learning.
I even did my first internship when I was still hoping to enter something medical and worked for a year at the Fineson Developmental Institute so .. Not judgy
but
Public education was specifically designed so that if nothing else everyone would have a basic education. We cant all be Neurosurgeons but we would all have the same basic information necessary to be functioning adults and be able to support ones self. We as tax payers, former tax payers and future tax payers pay so that EVERYONE who graduates will have the basics.
I'm sorry but ... that would include basic math skills like making change. Sheesh .. I know I am old but it was taught in elementary school.
The issue Flash raised whether you liked the way he raised them or not is real. The school system and the general "participation award" "dont hurt anyone's feelings" attitude did not help this girl or anyone else who leaves without the guaranteed well funded basic education.
Yes ... I remember what a stigma it was for someone to be "left back" but ... is graduating unprepared better. You have a year to be embarrassed about being left back .. you have a lifetime of struggle if you graduate and cant read or perform simple math. Its completely unfair to those students.
When AZ just asked for more kick in to the Education system .. its kind of sad that a young adult struggles with very basic math and no one did her any favors promoting her before she was ready.
and
as far as the education system .. when have any of you that ran businesses, departments or owned your own businesses been rewarded with more money for failure.
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Boriqua said:
ok, real life story.
ex gf has a son.
He is a nice kid, but ignored for the most part by her and his one weekend a month father.
TUSD has kind of a "no fail" policy, and this kid has been passed down the line for the last 4-5 years. fast forward to now...kid is 11 and can't read or do basic math. The kid is good at building things and with his hands, but his mother relied on the system and his PS4 to educate and entertain him for years, and now the poor kid has great difficulty doing even the basics.
What's even sadder is that his mother, in frustration, picks on him for "being dumb", then he gets depressed and isolates.
I feel for the kid, wish I could take him away from her and raise him. (she loves him, but is bad at showing it and doesn't know what to do about getting him caught up to his peers with studies)
Bottom line is that TUSD has passed this kid for most of his life without caring if he could read or write, and NOW it has caught up with him in middle school and it is a mess.
cool arrow said:
Ugh .. that is truly an awful story! No one is being done a favor by being allowed to move on. One of my brothers HATED school. By no means stupid but early on he was picked on a lot for a birth defect and he just learned to generally hate school and formal education. He made it through highschool just fine but was no stellar student.
Hooked up with the neighbor who was an electrician and a good man and went to work with him everyday after graduation and my brother took to it like a duck to water. Got his license and has made FAR more money than I ever could.
But he wouldn't have been able to do that without being forced at times to get the basics down. If he had been allowed to drop out or was just passed along for the sake of the right graduation numbers .. he might have been lost. Instead .. he has provided his wife and daughters a good life.
I understand what Rock is trying to say with changing areas of information needs and education. We dont generally teach farming and how to milk cows unless you live in a rural area but .. Math, reading and a few others are forever things. They never change and will be important forever no matter the field.
I guess the argument could be made that you dont NEED the sciences or history unless your field of future endeavors requires it but .. math and reading are a must have.
lol, don't get me started we have gone thru over 70 employees this year average age is mid 20s to 30, quite a few had heads on their shoulders or at least seemed to, but the responsibility issues like being on time, doing the required time card so you can get paid, or even bringing back the tax information so you can get paid, and then there is :do the interview and no show next day for work.
Just interviewed a man approx 30, struggled doing basic math, going to hire him because of his driving record and he has a lic. amazingly enough, over 80% of applicants do not have a valid lic. or a vehicle, and 45% had familys ie; meaning children ect.
so i dont get it, i grew up in a biz that if you didn't work you don't eat. pretty simple if you ask me.
am i condesending and being an arsehole, who knows, and frankly could give a shiat. but if someone doesn't do something about the Whiz;s general ability to function may come to an end. HOpe someone showed them how to wipe their arse
Rj
Just interviewed a man approx 30, struggled doing basic math, going to hire him because of his driving record and he has a lic. amazingly enough, over 80% of applicants do not have a valid lic. or a vehicle, and 45% had familys ie; meaning children ect.
so i dont get it, i grew up in a biz that if you didn't work you don't eat. pretty simple if you ask me.
am i condesending and being an arsehole, who knows, and frankly could give a shiat. but if someone doesn't do something about the Whiz;s general ability to function may come to an end. HOpe someone showed them how to wipe their arse
Rj
knockonit said:
So what some places do is raise the minimum requirements and that helps NO ONE! I had managed staff before going into display work but when I first started in Displays and was hiring I was given the Ad to post with requirements by the HR at the not for profit I was at. I was hiring for "Exhibits Technician" all the forms said you needed a BA.
WHAT!?
I needed creative builders who could think outside the box, Scenic painters ... I needed people that werent afraid of hard work because we would move 20 giant crates worth of exhibits into the building about once ever couple months and do setup and take down. I needed people who could hang an art show. Why the hell would they need to have a BA?
Well .. in their thinking .. in order to get what you should have gotten from someone with a HS diploma you would now need someone with a college education. Anther reason I am against free college. It will just be HS 2.0. Dont get me wrong .. I think if you have the aptitude and drive for college money shouldnt hold you back and I would be willing to kick in for that but .. College for everyone is just silly.
I did the interviews, I did the hiring and I was a golden child to the Executive director so I hired what I needed adn to hell with educational requirements. Usually it was a willingness to work hard and have the proper work ethic but still .. to be a builder, scenic painter or any of the things I needed .. you would need to know math.
Still .. left to most people who come up to management taking management classes in School .. they would have been locked into the HR requirement by their own doing .. unfortunately missing out on some of the gems of people I had work under me and the people who worked for me that went on to bigger and better things wouldnt have had the chance based on the BA requirement.
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