instinctive/point shooting
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I can't tell if this just trolling or a serious conversation.
But I'll put in my two cents.
Point shooting is dumb. We've evolved past WW2 era pistol handling.
The only time I've trained unsighted shooting was with Craig Douglas of Shivworks.
Video explaining his retention shooting method.
https://youtu.be/j8f3PJ7FOhk
Anything past an arm's length you should be working to sights. Not necessarily full extension mind you, but some reference of sights.
But I'll put in my two cents.
Point shooting is dumb. We've evolved past WW2 era pistol handling.
The only time I've trained unsighted shooting was with Craig Douglas of Shivworks.
Video explaining his retention shooting method.
https://youtu.be/j8f3PJ7FOhk
Anything past an arm's length you should be working to sights. Not necessarily full extension mind you, but some reference of sights.
Hansen
Member
I don't train intentionally that. But I can tell you that every single force on force scenarios I have done over the years I have always point shot. I can not tell you if I ever used the sights, subconsciously I probably saw them, I did get the hits.
There used to be a class taught by a 70 year old man in Chandler. He taught out at Ben Avery during the fall. He had a book and I think it was titled, the Martial Art of Shooting. He lined his pistol up to his hip and rotated his off leg. He could shoot really good. He also had a video of shooting a 12 gauge while sitting in a plastic lawn chair.
A_C Guy
Member
Ranger1 said:
If you are looking for someone to train you or train with you, then buy a pair of airsoft pistols. I'll meet up with you or take your favorite shooting buddy out and just do it. You don't need to go to the range, any open area will work.
As shown in the video, it is not nearly as hard as most people think.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkmKJ-deFAY[/media]
Quick draw shooters do it and they are quite accurate and proficient at it.
A_C Guy
Member
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5WjkI5FuP0[/media]
This whole argument from the naysayers is foolish.
There are many youtube videos of shooters point shooting accurately and faster than anyone can draw, get a sight picture and then shoot.
This whole argument from the naysayers is foolish.
There are many youtube videos of shooters point shooting accurately and faster than anyone can draw, get a sight picture and then shoot.
A_C Guy
Member
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7W-5QE3jzw[/media]
At 2:22, he says that he was having so much fun watching the target fall, that he forgot to look at his sights while shooting.
That is instinctive, point shooting shooting from a world record shooter.
I think that settles the arguments for the naysayers
At 2:22, he says that he was having so much fun watching the target fall, that he forgot to look at his sights while shooting.
That is instinctive, point shooting shooting from a world record shooter.
I think that settles the arguments for the naysayers
Steve_In_29
Member
A_C Guy ....Ranger1 alias??
Even if not though, you just linked to three shooters who spend COUNTLESS hours and THOUSANDS of rounds a month honing their skills and present them as examples of why point shooting is easy??
Even if not though, you just linked to three shooters who spend COUNTLESS hours and THOUSANDS of rounds a month honing their skills and present them as examples of why point shooting is easy??
Steve_In_29
Member
A_C Guy ....Ranger1 alias??
Even if not though, you just linked to three shooters who spend COUNTLESS hours and THOUSANDS of rounds a month honing their skills and present them as examples of why point shooting is easy??
Even if not though, you just linked to three shooters who spend COUNTLESS hours and THOUSANDS of rounds a month honing their skills and present them as examples of why point shooting is easy??
A_C Guy
Member
There's none so blind as those who will not see.
I find it humorous that so many refuse to even try it and yet they claim that it is so hard and not realistically practical.
Steve, before jumping to the wrong conclusion or assumption of me being R-1 or visa versa, check the history of our accounts. I was a sponsor of the original AzS board going back 10 years or more. Literally, over a 100 members have met me and I have serviced at least 100 member's A/C systems.
Unfortunately, there has been a real decline on the quality of the posts and information on this forum relative to posts of years past. Too many keyboard warriors... Too many personal attacks instead of open discussions of ideas. Apparently, the identity politics and personal attacks aren't limited just to the snow flakes of the left.
I find it humorous that so many refuse to even try it and yet they claim that it is so hard and not realistically practical.
Steve, before jumping to the wrong conclusion or assumption of me being R-1 or visa versa, check the history of our accounts. I was a sponsor of the original AzS board going back 10 years or more. Literally, over a 100 members have met me and I have serviced at least 100 member's A/C systems.
Unfortunately, there has been a real decline on the quality of the posts and information on this forum relative to posts of years past. Too many keyboard warriors... Too many personal attacks instead of open discussions of ideas. Apparently, the identity politics and personal attacks aren't limited just to the snow flakes of the left.
A_C Guy
Member
Rule #1Steve_In_29 said:
If you are going to have a debate, get your facts straight. Nothing destroys your own credibility like the inability to accurately count to 2. I linked videos of TWO shooters, not 3. Learn to count.
Rule #2 Practice makes perfect. On the previous forum AzS, there were many discussions about practice, practice, practice. Why do people like you own a gun and not practice? Anyone that practices shooting as little as a box per week, can and will be sufficiently accurate enough to instict shoot a moving target at 15 feet.
Hang up your keyboard for a day and go shoot a box of ammo.
Hey, A_C Guy,
I was watching Gun TV last night and one of the segments was about the Cowboy Fast Draw Assocation's Championship shoot. Guys doing a fast draw, cocking and firing single actions and shooting from the hip at 24" targets at 5 yards. Times were going from around 0.300 seconds to 0.500 seconds. Only hits counted. The timer started when a light went on and stopped when the wax bullet impacted the target.
Pretty good example of point shooting. I was in a fast draw club when I was a kid and it was actually pretty easy to make hits, reducing the time was harder. I still do it from time to time to keep my hand in, but I use a semiauto these days and it's even faster as there's no hammer to cock.
With respect to shooting moving objects, it's no problem at all. If you look at the speed most people are moving when they're "shooting on the move", then think about the distance and do the math, you'll find that at most you might need a 3" lead and that translates to slightly more than the width of your front sight on your handgun.
I shoot Sporting Clays on a weekly basis and yes, a moving target is hard to hit but only if it's around 40 yards away, moving at around 45 miles per hour and traveling perpendicular to where you're standing. Otherwise they're easy.
I was watching Gun TV last night and one of the segments was about the Cowboy Fast Draw Assocation's Championship shoot. Guys doing a fast draw, cocking and firing single actions and shooting from the hip at 24" targets at 5 yards. Times were going from around 0.300 seconds to 0.500 seconds. Only hits counted. The timer started when a light went on and stopped when the wax bullet impacted the target.
Pretty good example of point shooting. I was in a fast draw club when I was a kid and it was actually pretty easy to make hits, reducing the time was harder. I still do it from time to time to keep my hand in, but I use a semiauto these days and it's even faster as there's no hammer to cock.
With respect to shooting moving objects, it's no problem at all. If you look at the speed most people are moving when they're "shooting on the move", then think about the distance and do the math, you'll find that at most you might need a 3" lead and that translates to slightly more than the width of your front sight on your handgun.
I shoot Sporting Clays on a weekly basis and yes, a moving target is hard to hit but only if it's around 40 yards away, moving at around 45 miles per hour and traveling perpendicular to where you're standing. Otherwise they're easy.
Biggame223
Member
Did it in Tucson with Robin Brown well over a decade ago, it opened my mind a bit. While point shooting is no substitute to using ones sights, it is something that can be effective and get hits on the target as one shoots TO their sights.
