Illegals+Fraud = The Boot

[knockonit]

lol, the resorts started it, and the hotels, oh yeah, the nursing homes, and yeah, the church, you know which one.

I hate that the industry i have chosen my life in deals with the illegal thing as if it doesn't exist.

as a contractor, we have never hired, or condon our subs to have illegals, if we find out they no longer work for us.

Kinda like my buddy who had a paving company, his schooled brother came to work in the family biz, and wanted to install a drug test program, my pard told his brother, you wanna be out paving by yourself, just you and me won't be getting much done.

kinda how it works these days

in the 80s it was the serbs, and croatians, not such much the wets. now its changed
Rj

 

[John Kuhns]

When I was still in that career I was the QC manager for one of the larger ready mix firms. We drug tested and no one was exempt. One one round we had several drivers and not surprising some office staff all come up dirty. They were gone. Company had zero tolerance.

Later, I was a project engineer with one of the larger paving contractors. Same thing. Pee clean or be gone. No one was exempt. And, some were gone.

 

[Flash]

They did a druggie purge at one of the last companies I worked at as an employee before starting my own company.

They cleaned out the entire purchasing department, over a dozen people in one fell swoop.

 

[Azbuilder]

E-verify must be still ignored in construction.....
The drug testing should be a huge concern for preventing injuries........

 

[Jack Dupp]

I'm not sure what's worse - employing druggies or tonks...

 

[338lapua]

lol, the resorts started it, and the hotels, oh yeah, the nursing homes, and yeah, the church, you know which one.

I hate that the industry i have chosen my life in deals with the illegal thing as if it doesn't exist.

as a contractor, we have never hired, or condon our subs to have illegals, if we find out they no longer work for us.

Kinda like my buddy who had a paving company, his schooled brother came to work in the family biz, and wanted to install a drug test program, my pard told his brother, you wanna be out paving by yourself, just you and me won't be getting much done.

kinda how it works these days

in the 80s it was the serbs, and croatians, not such much the wets. now its changed
Rj

You forgot the plant nurseries. I still remember the first one that showed up. Everyone though he was cool and funny, 4 months later and all the crackers were gone. I got moved into plant propagation because it took some skill. Then they gave me a new helper from south of the border and forced me to teach him everything, a year later I was gone. Now even their sales staff is from Mexico.

Then I started a high end landscape maintenance company and nursery, did well for 8 years growing it to 3 million a year in billings. Then the accounts started dropping off, big accounts like 2-5K a month residential accounts and I knew what was coming. Put the business for sale at 1.8 million and it sold in two months. New buyer was underbid out of business in under 2 years. Took the money and bought a machine shop.

Worked in unrelated fields for many years and went back to project management on golf courses and large master planned communities. Figured they would keep gringos around to deal with the clients. Did this for 8 years until our clients started hiring bilingual folks and then requested the company we worked for to do the same. Even the white ones that knew bean were let go. When they let everyone else go I still had a job as a estimator so I told them to get effed and walked with the rest of the guys.

I have had enough of this shit to say the least. I want ALL foreigners the hell out of here.

 

[Crippledtrigger]

I'm not sure what's worse - employing druggies or tonks...

Druggie Tonks?

Or

Druggie Tonks smuggling drugs.








You had to know someone was going to say it.

 

[A_C Guy]

As a contractor, I can tell you it isn't just a matter of hiring illegals to lower payroll. It's not a question of trying to save money. It's a matter of finding the people that WILL work. The typical white American that will apply for construction doesn't do enough work to cover his wages. There are exceptions, but the majority of them don't and won't. They want to stand around and BS all day and get paid for it. 3 out of 4 that I hire don't last a day. I went through 22 guys one summer trying to fill 1 position. I can see why so many competitors take the easy route and hire illegals. The illegals do work harder and generally are more productive.

 

[338lapua]

As a contractor, I can tell you it isn't just a matter of hiring illegals to lower payroll. It's not a question of trying to save money. It's a matter of finding the people that WILL work. The typical white American that will apply for construction doesn't do enough work to cover his wages. There are exceptions, but the majority of them don't and won't. They want to stand around and BS all day and get paid for it. 3 out of 4 that I hire don't last a day. I went through 22 guys one summer trying to fill 1 position. I can see why so many competitors take the easy route and hire illegals. The illegals do work harder and generally are more productive.

Blame the education system for taking away vocational training to start with. They send people out that can't drive a nail. Kids today have no skills whatsoever other than working a effing phone. This was done by design to give this country to foreign effs. The planned destruction of America and replacement of Americans with crap from foreign hell holes. Dumb down the Americans, take away skills training and replace them with Mexicans and Muslims.

 

[Crippledtrigger]

As a contractor, I can tell you it isn't just a matter of hiring illegals to lower payroll. It's not a question of trying to save money. It's a matter of finding the people that WILL work. The typical white American that will apply for construction doesn't do enough work to cover his wages. There are exceptions, but the majority of them don't and won't. They want to stand around and BS all day and get paid for it. 3 out of 4 that I hire don't last a day. I went through 22 guys one summer trying to fill 1 position. I can see why so many competitors take the easy route and hire illegals. The illegals do work harder and generally are more productive.

Blame the education system for taking away vocational training to start with. They send people out that can't drive a nail. Kids today have no skills whatsoever other than working a effing phone. This was done by design to give this country to foreign effs. The planned destruction of America and replacement of Americans with crap from foreign hell holes. Dumb down the Americans, take away skills training and replace them with Mexicans and Muslims.

You have something here.

When I graduated HS in the 80s I had spent 4 years in auto class with the last 2 years in Vocational auto class. The vocal auto was a 2 hour block. I had enough credits by my Sr year I took Vocational woodworking class as well. The wood working class had you more than prepared to enter the construction field or apprentice in cabinet making or as a finish carpenter.

The auto class provided the same education that the AA program at the community colleges offered. The only difference was the degree program conducted ASE certification testing and any remedial training to ensure you passed the testing you wanted at graduation. In the HS we took practice testing but not the real thing.

Same went for auto body. If you spent 4 years there with the last one in Vocational level class, a 2 hour block plus after school requirements, you had a good 6 years under your belt and were way past entry level tech when graduating.

The only thing the HS automotive program was lacking was the advanced auto electric and computer system training that was starting to become a major part of a techs job at the time. I had a couple scholarships/dealer sponsorships to do the AA degree program free. Looking back I should have took it as those guys were always paid better than gooberment jobs I had but at the time bending over all day and eternally dirty hands just wasn't a desire. They had lots of Vocational level classes. Now? They say its because they have to transition to prepare kids for a more technologically diverse environment. Bullshit! They dont want to spend the money.

Now days those programs are gone. My daughters school, one is a JR this year and the other just graduated, dont even have facilities for these classes and weren't built with the ability to ever offer them. Any of this kind of training in these areas is in the form of "clubs" now. My youngest was in government and law Enforcement sciences classes the last couple years, taught by instructors
Who were active police or government employees and where they had actual state wide competitions in learning and demonstrating LEO tactics. They competed in things like building clearing, swat, traffic stops, baton use, cuffing and sniper tactics. They used a full load of standard duty equipment using blue guns/mags as the only difference. They canceled it this year turning it into a club and required the kids to buy all their own equipment and uniforms for training and competition which ofcourse will kill the club as that shit ain't cheap. They did this even though the school had probably 500 dollars worth of shit for each student. Top end duty gear too. The phukers had it sold off at auction for Penny's on the dollar.

After all this they still dont really prepare them for college or other continuing education. They have no clue about the huge workload that full time college is or the amount of serious self education required to he successfull. Lets face it, you basically teach your self thru college as classes are huge, instructor access is extremely limited. You need as many as 5 hours of homework lab or study for every hour in the classroom.

 

[338lapua]

I just looked up what classes were available at the high school I went to and now ALL vocational classes are off campus and the student or parent is responsible for getting them there. When I went to school it was right there on campus. We had the construction program where a house was build and donated every year. We had automotive class where a ton of guys got certified with just a few classes at GCC and went to work. We had the heavy diesel shop. We had the industrial welding shop. We had agriculture and horticulture, I was in this program which lead to me starting my first company. We also had wood shops as well. The kick ass vocational center I learned in is now shops for the useless district effs, all those shops now used by lame ass district workers, what a shame.

School turned out a large national home builder, he operates in I believe 6 states. A guy who started a trailer manufacturing company, he sold out for millions. Produced a cattle rancher who also is a vet who sells multi million dollar bulls as well as bull jizz, very wealthy. Several more ranchers and farmers. Multiple certified welders came out of the programs and I can name about 10 that I know who do welding for nuclear plants. Also a few aerospace welders, I employ a few of them. One guy owns a pipeline company, think he said he has 5-600 people nationwide. A automotive grad has 15 franchise shops in Arizona, worth about 60 million. A diesel grad now owns a truck dealership in another state as well as multiple repair shops.

I started out as a grower of plants on week days and did retail sales on weekends where I would eventually find my first clients for my landscape maintenance company. I saw the writing on the wall and left before I had to train my replacement and opened my own company. I sold out about 8 years later and used that money to start my other companies. I watched with amusement as the company I sold for almost 2 million lost account after account because of the cheap illegal labor, I financed another person who was in my horticulture/ag classes and he picked up most of the accounts as they lost them. Of course there are also plenty of do nothings that had no work ethic that went through the programs but those who were willing to work did well. I also ended up working in construction management on large master planned communities as well as doing grow ins of multiple golf courses, I grew in 13 courses in 3 years and 8 at one time for a large national golf company.

I bought a small machine shop which has turned into 3 shops in Arizona and 8 more in other states. I am selling out all the aviation related shops by the end of the year and only keeping the automotive parts. Automotive will be sold out within 6-10 years and then I am out completely.

The kids coming out today are coming out as useless workers and most of what I have seen in the last ten years are pretty much useless unless you need help with your phone or a text sent. Other than that they are useless. I have not seen more than a couple new hires with enough ambition to tell me to eff off some day and open their own shop, too far outside their comfort zone. The school I went to pushes math a lot harder now but when we look at a kid for a entry level position they are severely lacking any common sense or ability to apply what they learned to real life. Most have never done anything and a lot are afraid to try. They also get frustrated and have breakdowns when they fail rather than start over. You walk into my shop you turn over your phone and other devices and you get them back when you leave, no break usage or at lunch, I need focused workers. Not little pussies that need a puppy and a safe place to cry it out. I am so frustrated with what I am seeing I am starting to dismantle what I have spent 20 years building, I would rather do this than have to stoop to hiring foreign workers from India and other places, not stooping that low.

 

[AZ1]

As a contractor, I can tell you it isn't just a matter of hiring illegals to lower payroll. It's not a question of trying to save money. It's a matter of finding the people that WILL work. The typical white American that will apply for construction doesn't do enough work to cover his wages. There are exceptions, but the majority of them don't and won't. They want to stand around and BS all day and get paid for it. 3 out of 4 that I hire don't last a day. I went through 22 guys one summer trying to fill 1 position. I can see why so many competitors take the easy route and hire illegals. The illegals do work harder and generally are more productive.

Lots of truth here, but you can remove white and just leave it at American.